Race Baiting

[woodchip]

So the liberal POTUS contender, self aggrandized almost a knee-gro Lord Hussein is race baiting by this little cut predictive quote:

\"Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama said on Friday he expects Republicans to highlight the fact that he is black as part of an effort to make voters afraid of him.\"

This is just so wrong on so many levels. First off the presumption that Republicans are afraid of black folk is horrendously racist. Is he saying:

1) All white folk view blacks as ebil/crimminal/thug/gang bangers?

2) Democratic white folk do not view number one option and all democratic white fathers would gladly have their daughters marry a black man.

3) Republicans have no black constituency.

4) Since Obama is now the Great Black Hope, is he saying that blacks who think his statement may be true are inherently genetically stupid as they (and Obama) forget who the rebublican Bush put into positions of power in his cabinet.

I'm sure Barack \"Yo Momma\" Obama thinks his statement may be a clever chess move in the game to the whitehouse, but in reality he can be check mated quite easily if McCain could have Condoleeza as his VP.
Barack plays a dangerous game here as he is the one injecting race into the campaign before his opposition says anything about it. So once again the half black/half white liberal contender for Americas position numero uno epically fails at looking presidential.

[Ford Prefect]

I wonder though if you really think the Republican party will not make sure to emphasize that Obama is black in those constituencies where being black would have a negative impact on his chances. Do you honestly think that they won't play the race card in the areas where it would get them votes?

Seems like a given to me in any election, hardly a brilliant insight.

And you could make the same claim to both parties since the Democrats will be sure to play the race card where it will get them votes. Of course it will all be rumour, innuendo and third party stuff so neither party can be tied to it directly.

[Testiculese]

Aren't the majority of southern states Republican? Sounds like he has a valid concern. Especially when it's already been brought up numerous times...by Republicans.

[woodchip]

Aren't the majority of southern states Republican? Sounds like he has a valid concern. Especially when it's already been brought up numerous times...by Republicans.

Really? Where and link

[Ford Prefect]

Depends on your definition of \"Southern\" But it looks to be true.
Really Woodchip you know how to use Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states

[Will Robinson]

He's black?!?

[Cuda68]

Seems like the south is being stereotyped and %75 of the entire country carries the Republicans. Just because its the south does not mean its purely a state of racial intolorance. Atlanta GA for example is mostly African American. I think the North has an inferiority complex.

[Jeff250]

He's black?!?

More importantly, he is to anyone who would have a problem with it.

he expects Republicans to highlight the fact that he is black as part of an effort to make voters afraid of him

It's like how some people emphasize that his middle name is "Hussein" to make voters afraid of him.

edit: And I'm not even sure wtf this is:

knee-gro

Barack "Yo Momma" Obama

[woodchip]

Depends on your definition of "Southern" But it looks to be true.
Really Woodchip you know how to use Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states

Yes I do know how Ford, I was refering to Testi's statement that " Sounds like he has a valid concern. Especially when it's already been brought up numerous times...by Republicans."...as in Republicans have been using black = fear connotation.

[Will Robinson]

It was estimated recently that approximately 10% of the electorate, both republican and democrat, will not vote for a black man...period.
I don't think anyone needs to remind people like that about Obama being black!! Those kind of people know him as a black person first and anything else they care to know about him runs through that filter first.

Obama isn't trying to head off the racist vote, he's rallying the brothers and sisters to be ready to come out and vote against the racist, black church burning republicans.
He's playing the race card.

McCain will play the national security card, then Obama will play the abortion card...then McCain will play the higher taxes card...then they will each take turns figuring out which side of the immigration debate they are on this week and play it...

Stupid voters will line up as if one side is right and the other is wrong, doesn't matter which, and the machine gets another four years of all of your support!

[Dedman]

This is just so wrong on so many levels.

So is this.

knee-gro Lord Hussein

And this.

Barack "Yo Momma" Obama

Is he saying:

1) All white folk view blacks as ebil/crimminal/thug/gang bangers?

2) Democratic white folk do not view number one option and all democratic white fathers would gladly have their daughters marry a black man.

3) Republicans have no black constituency.

4) Since Obama is now the Great Black Hope, is he saying that blacks who think his statement may be true are inherently genetically stupid as they (and Obama) forget who the rebublican Bush put into positions of power in his cabinet.

I think what he is going is acknowledging history and recognizing the political reality that the other side of the contest will use any leverage it can to win votes.

I heard Senator McCain say that Senator Obama’s camp will try to portray him as old. Does that mean that the McCain camp is “age baiting”? No, it is acknowledging a political reality and getting his team ready to respond. Senator Obama is doing the exact same thing.

Really Woodchip, the only person I see race baiting here is you. You’re better than that.

[woodchip]

I heard Senator McCain say that Senator Obama’s camp will try to portray him as old. Does that mean that the McCain camp is “age baiting”? No, it is acknowledging a political reality and getting his team ready to respond. Senator Obama is doing the exact same thing.

Really Woodchip, the only person I see race baiting here is you. You’re better than that.

Nice try Dedman, you should know me well enough by now to see I'm not race baiting, but Obama baiting. He wants to throw out discriminatory statements about whitey being fearful of black men, then he is fair game to be shown for what he is. Racist.

Just in case you missed it Obama's already been snidely using age against McCain with such words as "Confused". What won't be confused are all the older Americans when they cast their ballot.

[Spidey]

Ha Ha Ha…as if there aren’t plenty of Democrat voters who won’t vote for him because he is half black.

Painting Republicans as “Racist” sure as hell aint gonna help him.

As I have said before “this guy is a lightweight”, and constantly places one or more feet in mouth.

McCain is old?

[Dedman]

He wants to throw out discriminatory statements about whitey being fearful of black men, then he is fair game to be shown for what he is. Racist.

rac•ism Audio Help - Show Spelled Pronunciation[rey-siz-uh m] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

His statement was racial, not racist. There is a difference. Again, he was just acknowledging a historical and political reality. In this age of political correctness, maybe he shouldn’t have implied that Senator McCain’s campaign would stoop to playing the race card. I for one however, will be surprised if that doesn’t come to pass.

Just in case you missed it Obama's already been snidely using age against McCain with such words as "Confused”.

No kidding. I would expect that he would. Senator McCain is old. Any opposing candidate would try to use that to their advantage and paint Senator McCain in the worst possible light regarding his age. The McCain campaign would do exactly the same if the tables were turned.

Complaining that the Obama campaign is using Senator McCain’s age against him is like complaining that the McCain campaign is using Senator Obama’s limited experience against him. Both statements are true. One candidate is old and the other is inexperienced and each could negatively impact the performance of the President. The opposing campaigns are going to use those facts to their advantage.

[Kyouryuu]

No kidding. I would expect that he would. Senator McCain is old. Any opposing candidate would try to use that to their advantage and paint Senator McCain in the worst possible light regarding his age.

And if McCain was smart, he'd use that to his advantage.

Reagan's "youth and inexperience" quote still ranks, to me, as one of the best comeback lines in modern political history.

Unfortunately, McCain hardly has that gracefulness and has to read out of a teleprompter half the time. To think that I thought listening to Gore the Robot in 2000 was painful.

[TIGERassault]

Note that he didn't say "all voters". What he said implies that some voters wouldn't vote for him because of his race. Which is true. But I still think it was somewhat uncalled for too.
That is of course presuming that the Republican party don't bring in racism. If they do, then I'll be expecting a full thread apology from you, Woodchip.

knee-gro; "Yo Momma"

Please tell me those mean something else than what I think they do and that you haven't just made the most ironic first-post-of-the-thread this year!

[TechPro]

The simple fact is: This thread isn't helping. Only stirring up needless debate.

[Ford Prefect]

Helping?
What was it supposed to help?
I must be missing the point of posting on internet forums.

[Spidey]

It’s helping to get something off peoples chests.

[Foil]

Issues of \"race-baiting\"... almost certainly going to be played by both parties. Sickens me.

Woodchip's admittedly intentionally-provocative \"Obama-baiting\"... slurs and name-calling. Sickens me even more.

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I heard people telling me recently that this election year, the inane moronic mud-slinging wasn't going to be as bad as the last one. But judging by the threads in here, it's worse.

Come on, people. Instead of debating the issues, you're gonna sit here and throw crap?

I thought the people here on the DBB E&C were exceptionally well-read and reasonable. I'm beginning to think I was wrong.

[woodchip]

OK Foil, just what issue is Obama for? First he says he is against the war in Iraq, but then he says he has no problem attacking Pakistan. This is what is really scary about the man. Besides not realizing America does not have 57 states, does he realize that Pakistan has nuclear tipped missiles? Just what kind results will be realized if he did?
Also he runs his platform on change. What will he change and how so. Does he have a record of across the aisle participation like McCain? Or has Obama only a very liberal one side view.
Obama also was going to be the great unifier. By the racial (is that better Dedman) statement he made, does that sound like unifying? Did the pastor he used to call his mentor but then later threw under the bus, does this sound like someone who has principles or is nothing more than a crass opportunist? Would Obama have quit his 20 year membership in the chicago church if he wasn't running for president and no one was watching him?
Nope and this points to him being unprincipled.
Now go ahead and tell me what a great president he will make.

[Foil]

Don't mistake my loathing of name-calling as having a partisan agenda. I'm not like you; I don't take inane shots at whoever I oppose.

If you want to bring up issues of character or consistency, okay. That's easily an issue worth discussing, but let's do it in a semi-professional manner.

P.S. It's a bit amusing that you think I must be an Obama-supporter. I'm not.

[Spidey]

Foil, first of all, IMHO personal character is the main issue in any potential president.

And second why don’t you just stay out of the threads that you don’t like?

Start your own thread…stop whining about everyone elses, because they don’t suit you.

Debate the issues…lol.

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Back to Obama, the more this guy opens his mouth…the more I dislike him.

[Jeff250]

Personal character isn't just a quality for presidents. It should be a quality for people who post here.

[Foil]

Foil, first of all, IMHO personal character is the main issue in any potential president.

I completely agree. So let's discuss it, rather than slinging crap.

And second why don’t you just stay out of the threads that you don’t like?

Because I'd like to see the DBB.net E&C stay a rational, reasonable place where people can discuss heavy topics.

Let's not allow this place to become the stereotypical forum where people flame and flame-bait and generally act like fifth-graders. If I wanted to participate in that kind of moronic argument, I'd just Google any forum out there and join up.

For at least a couple of years now, the DBB.net E&C has been a place where I can read and sometimes join in good conversation, learn some things in the process, and refine my own thinking. But reading some of the recent threads, especially the political ones... I think I'm actually losing brain cells.

Maybe we ought to make a new branch of the DBB, and call it "R&D 2008", where the Republicrats and Demicans can sling crap as much as they want.

[Lothar]

Maybe we ought to make a new branch of the DBB, and call it "R&D 2008", where the Republicrats and Demicans can sling crap as much as they want. :roll:

NHB works just fine for that.

[Dakatsu]

Foil, first of all, IMHO personal character is the main issue in any potential president.

I completely agree. So let's discuss it, rather than slinging crap.

And second why don’t you just stay out of the threads that you don’t like?

Because I'd like to see the DBB.net E&C stay a rational, reasonable place where people can discuss heavy topics.

Let's not allow this place to become the stereotypical forum where people flame and flame-bait and generally act like fifth-graders. If I wanted to participate in that kind of moronic argument, I'd just Google any forum out there and join up.

For at least a couple of years now, the DBB.net E&C has been a place where I can read and sometimes join in good conversation, learn some things in the process, and refine my own thinking. But reading some of the recent threads, especially the political ones... I think I'm actually losing brain cells.

Maybe we ought to make a new branch of the DBB, and call it "R&D 2008", where the Republicrats and Demicans can sling crap as much as they want.

QFT

This is pretty bad guys, and this is the .net board!

[CUDA]

if you really want to see some things about Obama that you'll question. start looking at some of his longtime associates and friends

look forward confidently to the day when all who work for a living will be one with no thought to their separateness as Negroes, Jews, Italians or any other distinctions. This will be the day when we bring into full realization the American dream -- a dream yet unfulfilled. A dream of equality of opportunity, of privilege and property widely distributed; a dream of a land where men will not take necessities from the many to give luxuries to the few; a dream of a land where men will not argue that the color of a man's skin determines the content of his character; a dream of a nation where all our gifts and resources are held not for ourselves alone, but as instruments of service for the rest of humanity; the dream of a country where every man will respect the dignity and worth of the human personality.

I question the content of the man's character. especially when you look at his associations. they really are a questionable group.


edit: P.S. I sense another Jimmy Carter election. people were so sick of Nixon that they wanted change. they got it alright with Carter. probably one of the worse Presidents in our History. I feel that people are so tired of Bush and want any kind of change so bad that they will Vote for Obama without ever really looking at what the man stands for, his lack of ANY kind of experience, OR the content of his Character.

[Ferno]

Maybe we ought to make a new branch of the DBB, and call it "R&D 2008", where the Republicrats and Demicans can sling crap as much as they want.

NHB works just fine for that.

we already have that. it's called EnC.

[TIGERassault]

I feel that people are so tired of Bush and want any kind of change so bad that they will Vote for Obama without ever really looking at what the man stands for, his lack of ANY kind of experience, OR the content of his Character.

Try again. Regardless of who people vote for, or don't vote for, Bush is out. Voting for Obama does nothing to affect that.

Maybe we ought to make a new branch of the DBB, and call it "R&D 2008", where the Republicrats and Demicans can sling crap as much as they want.

But then who'd go to the E&C branch?

[CUDA]

I feel that people are so tired of Bush and want any kind of change so bad that they will Vote for Obama without ever really looking at what the man stands for, his lack of ANY kind of experience, OR the content of his Character.

Try again. Regardless of who people vote for, or don't vote for, Bush is out. Voting for Obama does nothing to affect that.

do you even think before you post???? try Re-reading what I wrote then post again, but this time read the entire post not just one line.

P.S. let me explain it to you so it doesn't fly over your head again. Nixon wasn't even in office. he had resign. but it was what he represented that the people wanted change from. so they Voted for Carter instead of Ford.(who had replaced Nixon) Ford was the Much more qualified candidate. but people were so upset with Watergate that they blamed Ford for it also and voted for Carter.

No Bush will not be in Office, but its what he represents that the people want change from. Obama is not the most qualified Candidate, not by a long shot, but he will probably win because the "people" want change. they really don't give a shat what change as long as its away from Bush, so now the pendulum will swing WAY to the left and we will end up with a president just as bad as Bush but to the opposite extreme.

Obama is a racist it cannot be denied. he is the most liberal senator we have, his voting record proves it. he is one of the least experienced senator we have, being elected in 2005 and of his 3 years in the senate he has spent almost 2 years campaigning for president. what makes him think he's qualified to run this country. Hillary was far more qualified than he is, FAR More.

Make no mistake Obama will get elected and we will go through 4 years of lets suck everybody's D!ck to make them happy Just like Cater did and is still doing. and we will have another Iranian Hostage situation which he will puss out on just like Carter. America will be viewed as weak just like under Carter. he will tax the living hell out of us just like who? yep Carter. and in 4 more years America will wake up and say WTF is this guy doing and we will vote another Reagan into office to straighten this country out.

[Spidey]

Yea, and the problem with that pendulum is…I feel like I’m tied down to a table right underneath it.

[Foil]

Thanks for bringing this thread around to actually discuss a relevant topic (Presidential character), guys.

With the exception of a couple recent posts which have more name-calling than content, it's getting better.

[CUDA]

Here are some of Obama's associates

http://www.barackobamaassociates.info/

look at their backround. I would consider these guys shady at best, pure criminal at the worse. you dont continue to have associations with these kind of people unless you have like belief's.
His 1/2 brother I can excuse as an associate because he's family,

but it still makes you go HRM what if???

is that unfair? probably.

People will say that Bush had tie's to the Bin Laden Family and Big oil, and he did. and he gets hammered because of it. so if they are going to hammer him for those Ties then should they not start hammering Obama for his ties and the fact that he has MANY more questionable ones than Bush does? it does seem like he gets a free pass on this. continued ties like these go directly to your Character and your Judgement. and sh!t canning them after the fact like he did Rev Wright, is as Wright put it, pure damage control and politics. Wright stated that Obama agree's with his stances on issues but cannot state so publicly for fear of political suicide. this is coming from the Man's Pastor that he sat under for 20 years.



some more articles on the same subjects


http://www.newshounds.us/2008/05/01/fox ... fringe.php
and for those that say Fox News, here are a couple more.

http://www.ohio.com/news/nation/19592659.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/200 ... pener.html

[Spidey]

Pssst, you hoo…I have a secret to tell you…but don’t tell anybody where you heard it…ok?

Barack Obama is Black.

And if we look hard enuf, we just might find one blind & deaf person somewhere in the Amazon who doesn’t know that.

[Dedman]

Barack Obama is Black.

He's just as white as he is black. I just thought I would throw that out there

[flip]

After listening to this:
http://www.barackobamaassociates.info/james_t.htm
and this
http://www.barackobamaassociates.info/j ... wright.htm

I couldn't sit and listen to this for 20 years. Whether I was black or white.

EDIT:Fixed first url.

[CUDA]

and that's just 2 of his \"friends\" and PSSSSSST Obama says he doesn't believe that way

Birds of a feather IMHO

McCain has a tough job, How does he go about bringing this to light without himself being called a racist or does he??

clearly this has become an issue on this topic alone.
plus not to mention his other NUMEROUS questionable associations.