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Speculation has ran rampant over the net- especially with the Russo-Georgian battle in progress. The following from Debka is rather chilling:

DEBKAfile’s military sources note that the arrival of the three new American flotillas will raise to five the number of US strike forces in Middle East waters – an unprecedented build-up since the crisis erupted over Iran’s nuclear program.

This vast naval and air strength consists of more than 40 carriers, warships and submarines, some of the last nuclear-armed, opposite the Islamic Republic, a concentration last seen just before the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Our military sources postulate five objects of this show of American muscle:

1. The US, aided also by France, Britain and Canada, is finalizing preparations for a partial naval blockade to deny Iran imports of benzene and other refined oil products. This action would indicate that the Bush administration had thrown in the towel on stiff United Nations sanctions and decided to take matters in its own hands.

2. Iran, which imports 40 percent of its refined fuel products from Gulf neighbors, will retaliate for the embargo by shutting the Strait of Hormuz oil route chokepoint, in which case the US naval and air force stand ready to reopen the Strait and fight back any Iranian attempt to break through the blockade.

3. Washington is deploying forces as back-up for a possible Israeli military attack on Iran’s nuclear installations.

4. A potential rush of events in which a US-led blockade, Israeli attack and Iranian reprisals pile up in a very short time and precipitate a major military crisis.

5. While a massive deployment of this nature calls for long planning, its occurrence at this time cannot be divorced from the flare-up of the Caucasian war between Russia and Georgia. While Russia has strengthened its stake in Caspian oil resources by its overwhelming military intervention against Georgia, the Americans are investing might in defending the primary Persian Gulf oil sources of the West and the Far East.

DEBKAfile’s military sources name the three US strike forces en route to the Gulf as the USS Theodore Roosevelt , the USS Ronald Reagan and the USS Iwo Jima . Already in place are the USS Abraham Lincoln in the Arabian Sea opposite Iranian shores and the USS Peleliu which is cruising in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden.
Just over the horizon...or the \"bump\" called the middle east, to the north, Russia is bombing Georgia and invading with force. To the south, the American/Allied 'armada', of which rumors have been floating around the past several weeks, is about to appear- or so it's reported by Debka and a Kuwaiti newspaper. This is \"uncomfortable\" to put it mildly- I haven't been able to sleep the last few nights.

I'll be monitoring our naval positions this coming Wednesday (through public domain information available on the web) to see if this movement really does materialize.

(House Resolution 362 exists and addresses a naval blockade of Iran - http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e20227.htm - the question is, will it happen?)
(3) demands that the President initiate an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political, and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by, inter alia, prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran's nuclear program;
HR 362's most interesting paragraph to say the least.
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Possibility #6 is we're telling Russia 'Back of the Georgians or we screw with Iran...'
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Actually Will, it may be the Russians telling us to back off from Iran. Russia has significant resources and contracts with the Iranians and they won't like us rearranging the Iranian govt. Time for me to buy a thousand rounds of .223
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woodchip wrote:Actually Will, it may be the Russians telling us to back off from Iran. Russia has significant resources and contracts with the Iranians and they won't like us rearranging the Iranian govt. Time for me to buy a thousand rounds of .223
I think the Russians are long past posturing with troop movements etc.
They are are in the process of taking a piece of, or all of, Georgia.
that's why I thought maybe we are trying to puff up our chest and put some muscle behind our diplomacy.

For those who think Russia is doing this as a reaction to our spreading the anti-missile system around don't buy that line of crap! I think Russia will try to take back every single breakaway republik they can regardless of what we do.

They want to be the boss of all things oil and gas in their part of the planet and they have always considered their part to be much bigger than their current borders show. Having Georgia build pipelines to undercut Russia's monopoly on transporting product was the catalyst not NATO defense systems. The defense systems can play a role in the fight and become the red herring for the diplomats and press to focus on but the fight isn't about the systems, it's about the oil and gas and who gets to control it!

I think they see our forces spread thin and our citizens swallowing the anti-war rhetoric so easily that we're even about to elect a total foreign policy neophyte. From Putins perspective Obama is a lightweight civilian pacifist! What better time than now to go for it?
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Your logic is sound as oil and who controls it has been the basis for other wars. In this case I see Russia as testing the water so to speak, to see ours and the Euros response. I fully expect the Russians to keep taking more territory into Georgia as long as no military response from NATO is forth coming.

Somewhere in the deep and dark corridors of back room diplomacy, I could see a agreement cut that we do nothing about Russia's incursion into Georgia and Russia will do nothing when we pound the crap out of Iran's nascent nuclear program. Too bad this is going on during the Olympics.

Times look to be interesting and I am glad I don't live in that part of the world.
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Times look to be interesting and I am glad I don't live in that part of the world.
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woodchip wrote:Actually Will, it may be the Russians telling us to back off from Iran. Russia has significant resources and contracts with the Iranians and they won't like us rearranging the Iranian govt. Time for me to buy a thousand rounds of .223
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EDIT - Figured I would do it myself :roll:
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Wow... okay...

So, lets vote, who do you think will win World War III?
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Dakatsu wrote:Wow... okay...

So, lets vote, who do you think will win World War III?
the cockroaches. ;)
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Duper wrote:
Dakatsu wrote:Wow... okay...

So, lets vote, who do you think will win World War III?
the cockroaches. ;)
But who will they be allied with? :wink:
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Dakatsu wrote:
Duper wrote:
Dakatsu wrote:Wow... okay...

So, lets vote, who do you think will win World War III?
the cockroaches. ;)
But who will they be allied with? :wink:
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woodchip wrote:
Dakatsu wrote:
Duper wrote:
Dakatsu wrote:Wow... okay...

So, lets vote, who do you think will win World War III?
the cockroaches. ;)
But who will they be allied with? :wink:
Killer Bees
Killer bees? How are they gonna survive a nukefest? :?

Realistically speaking, my money's on some extra-hardy strains of those thermophilic bacteria... or maybe those things that grow on hydrothermal vents. :: Googling... :: Tubeworms. I bet they'd do just fine with the thermophilic bacteria. :P
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The US carrier Ronald Reagan is moving westward though there isn't any other significant movement appearant yet.
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MD-1118 wrote:
woodchip wrote:
Dakatsu wrote:
Duper wrote:
Dakatsu wrote:Wow... okay...

So, lets vote, who do you think will win World War III?
the cockroaches. ;)
But who will they be allied with? :wink:
Killer Bees
Killer bees? How are they gonna survive a nukefest? :?

Realistically speaking, my money's on some extra-hardy strains of those thermophilic bacteria... or maybe those things that grow on hydrothermal vents. :: Googling... :: Tubeworms. I bet they'd do just fine with the thermophilic bacteria. :P
didn't myth busters show that some fruit flies were more resistant to hard radiation than cockroaches?
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Duper wrote:
MD-1118 wrote:
woodchip wrote:
Dakatsu wrote:
Duper wrote:
Dakatsu wrote:Wow... okay...

So, lets vote, who do you think will win World War III?
the cockroaches. ;)
But who will they be allied with? :wink:
Killer Bees
Killer bees? How are they gonna survive a nukefest? :?

Realistically speaking, my money's on some extra-hardy strains of those thermophilic bacteria... or maybe those things that grow on hydrothermal vents. :: Googling... :: Tubeworms. I bet they'd do just fine with the thermophilic bacteria. :P
didn't myth busters show that some fruit flies were more resistant to hard radiation than cockroaches?
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Spidey wrote:
Duper wrote:
MD-1118 wrote:
woodchip wrote:
Dakatsu wrote:
Duper wrote:
Dakatsu wrote:Wow... okay...

So, lets vote, who do you think will win World War III?
the cockroaches. ;)
But who will they be allied with? :wink:
Killer Bees
Killer bees? How are they gonna survive a nukefest? :?

Realistically speaking, my money's on some extra-hardy strains of those thermophilic bacteria... or maybe those things that grow on hydrothermal vents. :: Googling... :: Tubeworms. I bet they'd do just fine with the thermophilic bacteria. :P
didn't myth busters show that some fruit flies were more resistant to hard radiation than cockroaches?
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