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Take the (US civics) quiz ...

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:53 am
by dissent
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/

(click the \"Take the Quiz\" button)

I got 28/33 - a \"B\"



... and then read the bad news -
http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/20 ... ding1.html

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=29582

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:09 pm
by Bet51987
27/33 - 81.82%

My failure was in the area of money. :(

Bettina

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:17 pm
by Spidey
Too much trivia, not enough civics, and a little politics to boot. :roll:

You answered 30 out of 33 correctly — 90.91 %

I read question 10 wrong… :(

Was tricked by question 29... :x

And I won't say what other one I missed, because of the embarrassment. :oops:

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:10 pm
by Gooberman
I always hate the ass hole on these internet quizes that claims to have gotten a perfect score.

:)

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:10 pm
by Lothar
ahhh... 32/33... and the one I missed (Lincoln/Douglas), I changed away from the right answer. I was thinking of the famous \"union glue\" editorial cartoon.

The scariest thing:
Officeholders typically have less civic knowledge than the general public.
Doh!

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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:29 pm
by TechPro
Gooberman wrote:I always hate the ass hole on these internet quizes that claims to have gotten a perfect score.

:)
Please don't hate me. :)

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:56 pm
by Dedman
I never did like history.

You answered 26 out of 33 correctly — 78.79 %

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:19 pm
by Will Robinson
I did 78% too.
The only encouraging thing is I only missed the ones I guessed at so I guess I know what I know and I know what I don't know.

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:25 pm
by Sergeant Thorne
26 out of 33 correctly — 78.79 %

29 tricked me too.

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:28 pm
by Jesus Freak
I hate quizzes. I fail. 0%

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:47 pm
by Krom
26 out of 33 also, I read a couple of them wrong and fail. -_-

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:56 pm
by ccb056
28/33 sigh

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:01 pm
by Tunnelcat
27/33 - 81.82%

I agree with Spidey, too many trivia and political questions. I definitely couldn't remember the Philosopher musings.

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:37 am
by Jeff250
30/33. Some of that is before my time. :o

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:12 am
by Top Gun
31 out of 33, missed questions 29 and 31. I struggled the most with the economics questions near the bottom.

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:24 am
by akula65
31 of 33. If I didn't have a humanities degree, I would have done substantially worse.

In their findings, these ISI folks indicate that people with an undergraduate degree don't do substantially better. Based on my experience, part of the reason for that is due to the extraordinary specialization that takes place in some universities from Day One. As I recall, engineering majors at my school only had a total of about 12 hours (4 courses) of free electives that they might use to take humanities courses. They were so many math, science and engineering requirements, that there simply wasn't time to fit anything else into a four year program, and even then, the school was constantly in jeopardy of losing its accredited status because so many of the engineering majors were taking five years instead of four to complete their degree. I think this is much less likely to be an issue at universities that have a general college program for the first couple of years before any specialization takes place, but it isn't likely to change the reality at engineering or other schools with a sharp focus.

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:23 am
by Foil
28/33 - Actually better than I thought I'd do, as I know I'm weak in economics.

[Edit: I'm really embarrassed about missing #7 - I memorized that speech in 4th grade! Guess I just went through it too fast.]

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:46 am
by Drakona
30/33. Better than I thought I'd do, since I generally consider myself ignorant of civics and US history.

I got #7 wrong, which is funny because I had to memorize the Gettysberg Address in middle school. Apparently, I've forgotten it.

I got #8 wrong, but it was just a blind guess anyway. I don't really know the process for overriding the supreme court. Appointing judges seemed plausible but roundabout and hardly a threat . . . I picked some other answer that looked plausible.

And I got #12 wrong. I know Roe v. Wade is what abortion folks talk about a lot, but I thought it was a later case that actually struck down most of the restrictions and that Roe was actually a pretty narrow ruling. Doe v. Bolton or something like that? Anyway, I thought that was a trick answer and picked what seemed the most plausible out of the remaining four.

I think a lot of those aren't civics questions, though, but history questions. I mean, stuff like \"What was Sputnik?\" and \"What did the Puritans teach?\" Seriously? I happen to know, but how it that relevant?

It's interesting that my score was so high. About half the questions, I don't think I'd have been able to pluck the correct answer out of the air. But some really basic knowledge about, say, the philosophies of the founding fathers, elimitated two or even three of the answers right off.

Several of you said you were 'tricked' by question 29. Out of curiosity, what did you find tricky about the definition of a public good?

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:49 am
by Foil
I think it's interesting that the average score on that quiz was under 50%, but the average here is considerably higher. Way to go, DBB E&C-ers! :)

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:18 pm
by akula65
I was also impressed by the DBB performance.

With regard to the relevance of the \"history\" questions, my guess would be that the ISI folks would look at the questioning of the relevance as an example of the failure of our educational system to make the populace aware that there IS a link between the history we study as a culture and the social and political issues that define our values and are (or perhaps should be) the subject of current political debate. I agree with those of you think that the specific beliefs of the Puritans are not particularly germane. But the Puritans are a fine example of a religious sect whose beliefs were at odds with the state sponsored religion in the country where the sect's members originally resided, and as such they provide a rationale for our country to avoid the imposition of any state sponsored religion. The ISI folks would assume that the general notion of the Puritans' beliefs is one of a number of facts that you would be acquainted with if you had a thorough notion of the link between the early settlers of America and the explicit religious freedom we have today as granted by the Constitution and its amendments. The ISI folks could have just as easily picked some other fact with regard to the Puritans or even one of the other religious sects that established colonies here in order to escape religious persecution.

You could make a similar case for Sputnik. It was one of a large number of events in the struggle between the Soviet Union and the West for dominance in a variety of arenas. But it was a watershed event because, from the moment it was launched, the exploration and exploitation of space became a legitimate and necessary topic of political debate and discussion in the U.S. NASA was established in direct response to the event. and the question of how much of our national resources should be devoted to space activities has been on the table ever since. (Have a look at this page: http://history.nasa.gov/sputnik/sputorig.html )

The problem may be that the relevance in cases like these is so obvious that we just take it for granted.

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:13 pm
by fliptw
32/33

that be said, I think we boosted the average for the month.

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:28 pm
by Dakatsu
28/33 84.85 %
The Bill of Rights explicitly prohibits:
D. establishing an official religion for the United States
Damn it, read it as explicitly guarantees.
What was the source of the following phrase: “Government of the people, for the people, by the people”?
D. Gettysburg Address
I knew it wasn't the constitution, and I was pretty sure it wasn't I had a dream, but the Dec. of Independence I thought had something similar.
Which of the following fiscal policy combinations would a government most likely follow to stimulate economic activity when the economy is in a severe recession?
C. decreasing taxes and increasing spending
I had no idea, period. Guessed it was decrease everything.
International trade and specialization most often lead to which of the following?
A. an increase in a nation’s productivity
I felt stupid for getting this wrong.
If taxes equal government spending, then:
D. tax per person equals government spending per person
For some reason I assumed the debt was zero, which in case I would of been right :P

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:18 pm
by Sergeant Thorne
Dakatsu wrote:For some reason I assumed the debt was zero, which in case I would of been right :P
That question really annoys me. That wasn't a test of knowledge, it was a test to see whether or not you could allow yourself to settle on such a ridiculously obvious/simple answer! Probably gave the math majors a thrill, though. :P

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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:27 pm
by Foil
Sergeant Thorne wrote:Probably gave the math majors a thrill, though. :P
No "thrill", just a momentary pause to double-check that I read the question right. It was definitely one of the more out-of-place questions.

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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:55 pm
by Krom
Sergeant Thorne wrote:
Dakatsu wrote:For some reason I assumed the debt was zero, which in case I would of been right :P
That question really annoys me. That wasn't a test of knowledge, it was a test to see whether or not you could allow yourself to settle on such a ridiculously obvious/simple answer! Probably gave the math majors a thrill, though. :P
But that doesn't mean the debt is zero, it just means it won't change from whatever it already is. It just means the budget is balanced.

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:38 pm
by fliptw
to be more specific, the deficit is zero. deficit is a negative difference between revenue and expenses. debt is accumulated negative difference over time.

Its a tricky question - as most people rarely use the term deficit in their personal finances - they just go straight to debt

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:06 pm
by Sergeant Thorne
Well, it's a tricky question because you might make the assumption, as Dakatsu and I did, that no excess spending = no debt. And really that would be an obvious outcome, provided there were no debt to begin with. However this question does not provide any surrounding circumstances, which means we're not dealing with circumstances in our assessment of effect, which necessarily limits us to the very obvious answer--essentially a restatement of the events of the question.

This has been a life lesson relearned, and I'm sure will come in very handy... the next time someone tries to trick me in a test/quiz! :x :wink:

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:15 pm
by Sedwick
29 out of 33 — 87.88 %. Missed Qs 4, 8, 14, and 29.