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Careful what you say
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:04 am
by woodchip
So a driver is tooling along and gets pulled over by a cop:
\"An Oklahoma City police officer wrongly pulled over a man last week and confiscated an anti-President Barack Obama sign the man had on his vehicle.
The officer misinterpreted the sign as threatening, said Capt. Steve McCool, of the Oklahoma City Police Department, and took the sign, which read \"Abort Obama, not the unborn.\"
Now the last I recall, the left had all sorts of interesting things to say about Bush and what they would like to do with him, yet never was there a time that any of them had their placards confiscated. So I guess we are entering a new paradigm whose mantra is \"Thou shall not be critical of Obama\".
We can see this now in how the wars are being covered. Obama has authorized a troop surge into Afghanistan. Quick, where is Code Pink/Media Matters/Polosi/Reid/Kerry/Murtha condemning this act? Will we any longer see a daily tally of troop deaths with agonized crys as the numbers accumulate?
Will any troop scandals come to light? And where are the \"Jack booted thugs who come in the dark of night to rape and murder\" comments?
So to all of you who were anti war, are you still and will you now make active derogatory comments against Obama? The wars are Obama's now and at a stroke of a pen he could bring all our boys home as he once promised in his campaign. If he doesn't, should not the term \"Obama lied, American troops died\" be a fitting phrase?
Take a long hard look at how you were manipulated during the Bush years and how you are now being manipulated and ask yourself, \"Was I right to hate Bush\"?
As to the driver and his sign, they were eventually given back to him with a apology so all is well in America...but for how long?
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:53 am
by Foil
Wow, déja vu.
I was back in Oklahoma City a couple of weeks ago, driving a vehicle borrowed from a family member... which happened to have a huge \"NO-bama\" sticker on the back window. I didn't get stopped, but I certainly remember a number of annoyed looks and honks.
Was this because OKC is a left-leaning city? Hah, hardly. Oklahoma has always been a red state, and the conservatives there are as outspoken as any I know.
It wasn't because it was a political sign, either. There were pro-McCain and \"Palin!\" signs all over the city; lots of people had leftover stuff from the election.
Rather, my impression was that it was the confrontational nature of that sticker, especially given the fact that OKC has a higher black population.
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Take it from someone who grew up there, and taught at an urban high-school near downtown: racial issues and sometimes blatant racism are still big problems in places like Oklahoma City. It's wrong, but it doesn't surprise me at all that an officer over-reacted to something he saw as threatening.
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:28 am
by woodchip
Foil, are you assuming the driver was stopped because the cop thought the sign was racial in nature? The sign was clearly about abortion and not the color of Obama's skin.
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:32 am
by Foil
No, I don't think the cop saw it as specificially racial, but from my own experience there in OKC, I can tell you that racial tensions easily heighten the impression of anything which looks otherwise threating.
I'm not defending the officer; I'm just saying I'm not surprised, given my experiences there.
Re: Careful what you say
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:07 pm
by Grendel
woodchip wrote:ask yourself, "Was I right to hate Bush"?
Hm, let's see .. Yep.
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:50 pm
by Nightshade
As we're already hating Obozo, er Obama.
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:37 pm
by SilverFJ
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:22 am
by woodchip
So another instance of reading racism into something:
\"Wednesday's Page Six cartoon - caricaturing Monday's police shooting of a chimpanzee in Connecticut - has created considerable controversy.
It shows two police officers standing over the chimp's body: \"They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill,\" one officer says.
It was meant to mock an ineptly written federal stimulus bill.
Period.
But it has been taken as something else - as a depiction of President Obama, as a thinly veiled expression of racism.\"
We we warned early on that anything even remotely looking like criticism against Alfred E. Obama would be construed as racism. And so it is.
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:41 am
by Ferno
SilverFJ wrote:
hey let's compare obama to the most evil person in history!
you suck, dude.
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:44 am
by Will Robinson
woodchip wrote:....It shows two police officers standing over the chimp's body: "They'll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill," one officer says.
It was meant to mock an ineptly written federal stimulus bill.
Period.
But it has been taken as something else - as a depiction of President Obama, as a thinly veiled expression of racism."....
To be offended in that way one would have to be stupid enough to believe Obama even read the bill much less actually wrote it!
I think the official response to that group should be to put them in a
civic time out... take their names and remove them from the registered voter rolls for two election cycles!
We'll call it the Intelligence Stimulus Act of 2009.
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:47 am
by Will Robinson
Ferno wrote:SilverFJ wrote:
hey let's compare obama to the most evil person in history!
you suck, dude.
Fans of Pol Pot are now offended by Ferno's slight and enemies of G.W. Bush are now mad at both of us!
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:51 am
by dissent
Hey, don't forget the Fans of Mao !!!!
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:16 am
by CUDA
Ferno wrote:SilverFJ wrote:
hey let's compare obama to the most evil person in history!
you suck, dude.
that's one HELL of a leap there Ferno, he did not post who he was referring to with that pic, this conversation has been about the police GW AND Obama. maybe your just revealing your true inner feelings
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:34 am
by Ferno
then why'd he post it in the first place?
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:44 am
by woodchip
Perhaps Fernman this would be more appropriate
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:00 am
by Spidey
It hurts when the garbage flies in the opposite direction…huh…lol!
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:04 am
by woodchip
Yeah, the left taught us well and we are now using our graduate degree to effect.
Also Dow Jones is now below 7400. Wall street is giving Obama accolades for his leadership ability's.
Of course he never had any skills but what does that matter eh?
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:10 am
by Foil
I love returning to threads I've posted in, only to find that they've devolved into political flames.
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:04 am
by SilverFJ
Ferno wrote:hey let's compare obama to the most evil person in history!
you suck, dude.
I was referring to political censorship and the unavailability to critisize your government...
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:11 am
by CUDA
SilverFJ wrote:Ferno wrote:hey let's compare obama to the most evil person in history!
you suck, dude.
I was referring to political censorship and the unavailability to critisize your government...
CMON, you were refering to Obama and the "We are only allowed to flame GW left" knows it
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:19 am
by SilverFJ
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:37 pm
by Ferno
SilverFJ wrote:I was referring to political censorship and the unavailability to critisize your government...
by using a stalin comparisom? LOL. worst analogy ever.
thanks for the laugh BTW.
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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:22 pm
by AlphaDoG
Foil wrote:I love returning to threads I've posted in, only to find that they've devolved into political flames.
"Careful what you say."
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:51 am
by SilverFJ
Well that's cool, I was at the bar last night playing pool and trying to get mine when I sat back and thought \"wait, maybe that'll offend the guy...\" but I'm glad it didn't.
god I'm ★■◆●ing hung over right now...
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:03 pm
by Tunnelcat
Lets see. Bushie had eight years and six years with a Republican controlled Congress. What we got was skyrocketing unemployment, banks failing, Stock Market tanking due to NO regulations to prevent all the crooked derivative trading and investment ponzi schemes (Madoff and Standford come to mind) on Wall Street, two mismanaged and unnecessary wars that created a monumental national debt and thousands of dead Americans and hundreds of thousands of dead Iragis, spying on Americans at will with no probable cause, opting out of the Geneva Convention, a complete disregard of habeas corpus and a total mockery of our Justice system. Did I get it all? Oh and now we may get a global economic meltdown. Bush did one better than Stalin!
Edit: I forgot TORTURING people, innocent or not!
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:08 pm
by SilverFJ
I think a few days in the gulag would change your opinion.
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:56 pm
by Duper
Tunnel, it wasn't Bush doing that. I don't know that he ever visited the prison. Remember there was also a whole cabnet of advisors that were pushing that idea and a coupld of agencies.
you guys are wierd.
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:26 pm
by flip
I think a few days in the gulag would change your opinion.
Lol. Made me laugh out loud
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:53 pm
by woodchip
tunnelcat wrote:Lets see. Bushie had eight years and six years with a Republican controlled Congress. What we got was skyrocketing unemployment, banks failing, Stock Market tanking due to NO regulations to prevent all the crooked derivative trading
Sorry, while republicans controlled house and senate, there was no sky rocketing unemployment, banks were not tanking, DJI was the highest it had ever been and the derivitive trading started back in Clintons era. It wasn't until the Dems took control that the nation started going down hill. Nice propaganda effort tho.
tunnelcat wrote:and investment ponzi schemes (Madoff and Standford come to mind) on Wall Street,
These guys got started long before Bush.
tunnelcat wrote:two mismanaged and unnecessary wars that created a monumental national debt and thousands of dead Americans and hundreds of thousands of dead Iragis, spying on Americans at will with no probable cause, opting out of the Geneva Convention, a complete disregard of habeas corpus and a total mockery of our Justice system. Did I get it all?
Yeah, you got it. Wonder where the Islamnofacists would be at if Bush did nothing?
tunnelcat wrote:Oh and now we may get a global economic meltdown. Bush did one better than Stalin!
Sorry, world melt down is entirely on your side of the aisle now.
tunnelcat wrote:Edit: I forgot TORTURING people, innocent or not!
Yes, I think a couple of days in a Stalin style Gulag would do wonders for your perspective.
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:55 am
by CUDA
comon Woodchip you cant blame TC. she has two things going against her.
1. she's a Woman and they think with emotion not logic
2. she's a liberal and they think with emotion not logic
so when you apply Einstein's theory of relativity to a Female Liberal, you get the following equation. If its done by a Republican than it must be logical and since it is Logical this in turn spurs a negative emotional response, so it must not be relative to the conversation. and since it has now become irrelevant to the conversation they feel that they can ignore it as not being pertinent information and act as tho it is not relative and never happened.
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:12 pm
by SilverFJ
CUDA wrote:1. she's a Woman and they think with emotion not logic
2. she's a liberal and they think with emotion not logic
However right-leaning my political views are, I still dont think it's very fair to attack someone's opinion based on their gender. #2 though, I agree with completely.
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:48 pm
by CUDA
have you ever been married
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:45 pm
by Duper
erps
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:46 pm
by Duper
Cuda, feminists don't get married. In fact, they are bent on tearing the family unit to the ground. Read their manifesto. It's a bit scary.
(not saying you fall into that category TC or you FJ.
)
I realize that the average woman probably wouldn't ascribe to the radical fundamentalist men hating that the movement is founded on. None the less, there is a large group that lobby on that behalf.
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:50 pm
by VonVulcan
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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:02 pm
by SilverFJ
Oh dont get me wrong, CUDA, what you said is completely true, but it has no place in a political debate