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Beating a dead horse
Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 10:51 pm
by flip
Since 25 states are declaring the 10th Amendment and Texas is actually threatening to leave the Union, I figured I'd post this for debate. It's title I feel is misleading for it deals much more with the Globalization that's occurring at the moment than about Obama himself, but it's current news and I found a lot of their evidence indisputable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 2:45 pm
by Octopus
They left out the part how aliens, evil Lincoln, and 2pac are working together.
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 3:02 pm
by flip
Dude your kidding right ? =/. Man if any of this is true were in deep S#@T. I can't honestly be the only person here that thinks there's some truth to all of this? If you thinking hiding is gonna help your either wrong or a big ______.
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 3:13 pm
by Octopus
hahahah
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 4:24 pm
by Pandora
what Octopus said.
love the comments, though:
His:\"Yes we can\", means when u hear it backwards:\"Thank you Satan\"
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 5:24 pm
by flip
His:\"Yes we can\", means when u hear it backwards:\"Thank you Satan\"
I honestly don't ever remember hearing this once. What time frame was that said? What I found most interesting was that for a fact, all the most powerful people in the world belong to club that really exists called the Bilderburg group. Also that these otherwise totally unrelated people, other than this group, along with most government officials from many different countries, all meet in secret once a year? Those things can't be denied. It's also a crime for any American government official to meet secretly ( as in not open to public scrutiny) concerning foreign affairs with anyone other than another American government official. They break their own laws. I found out what I wanted anyways.
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 5:41 pm
by flip
25 states are right now arguing their 10th amendment right to self govern as a protest against the Federal Governments attempts to take that right away. Seems to me a very real attempt to quickly and vastly increase the Federal Governments power has to be occurring, seeing that the elected officials of HALF the States of the Union have issued cease and desist orders against the Federal Government.
Here's the resolution from my state. This is the summary:
A RESOLUTION claiming sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over certain powers; serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates; and for other purposes.
Status History
Bill HistoryDate Action
02/12/2009 House First Readers
02/17/2009 House Second Readers
Heres the URL:
http://www.legis.ga.gov/legis/2009_10/sum/hr280.htm
Hmm, half the states in the union HAVE issued cease and desists orders against the Federal Government citing their 10th Amendment rights and this isn't front page news? Yet there it is House Resolution HR280.
Re:
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 6:00 pm
by Pandora
flip wrote:I honestly don't ever remember hearing this once. What time frame was that said?
sorry, I was unclear. Was just in the comments to the video on the youtube site.
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 6:07 pm
by flip
Heh ok no problem. I realize the guy in the video seems easily excited and I take that for what it is. It's the things that he's saying that I can confirm that has me convinced were in trouble. I also found the journalist really the only one that I couldn't fully trust. I just want the facts and keep your interpretation to yourself.
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 8:53 pm
by Spidey
More like beating a pile of dead horse poop.
Sorry, but even if what thay are saying is true…there are way too many lies, distortions, contradictions and outrageous statements to give them any credibility.
These guys are at the top of the wacko food chain. IMHO
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 9:40 pm
by flip
Sorry, but even if what thay are saying is true…there are way too many lies, distortions, contradictions and outrageous statements to give them any credibility.
Huh? Not like you to make statements like this Spidey. If it's true it's true, not matter who the messenger is. One way to look at that one guy (most of them in the video didn't seem near as emotional as the producer of the video) is that their scared @#$#less and no longer able to restrain themselves, no doubt more than a few are unbalanced to.
The fact remains that there is a huge power swing developing on a global level. Half the states in this country have publicly and together expressed their disapproval at the Federal Governments Global agenda. That's the truth. Things are definitely fixing to change. So we can sit here and discuss how only fools and the unbalanced believe that kinda nonsense, or we can start discussing what it means and how it's going to affect each and every one of us.
Again I think that the fact that 25 states together made public resolutions accusing the Federal Government of issuing mandates that overstep their authority and encroach on a states rights to self govern gives it alot more credibility.
Even if they are a bunch of crazed, paranoid unstable fools, I can pick out MANY of the arguments in that video that I can prove is true.
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 10:07 pm
by flip
See now I'm starting to wonder what mandates all these states are protesting.
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 10:16 pm
by flip
The saga of unfunded federal mandates is continuing to unfold. Perhaps it’s a story that you’ve been
following. Though, chances are, you haven’t heard the whole story.
Over the past twenty years, during an era of massive federal deficits, the federal government discovered a
clever way of imposing its will without bearing the cost: simply order local governments to do its bid-
ding. A myriad of regulatory activities concerning everything from the environment to education, is
mandated by the federal government to local governments
—
chiseling away at local budgets, discretion,
and authority. Well-justified rebellion against these “unfunded” mandates led to Congress passing and
President Clinton signing into law the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act (UMRA) of 1995. Unfortunately,
the UMRA has failed to stem the flow of expensive mandates and further amendment is pending.
The only problem with this story is that for well over a decade the Supreme Court has
—
somewhat
inconsistently
—
ruled that there is no such thing as a federal mandate on state or local governments,
unfunded or otherwise.
The most recent Supreme Court decision on this issue, the well-known case striking down mandates in
the Brady Bill, is direct and explicit. Sheriffs Printz and Mack, filing independent complaints, refused to
run federally-mandated background checks on firearm purchasers, arguing not only that such busywork
withdrew vital resources from law-enforcement, but that they were local, not federal employees, and
therefore, the federal government had no authority to commandeer their labor. Yet, the popular media has
largely ignored the implications of this Supreme Court ruling.
Better hope the Supreme Court isn't full of wall street to, I know for a fact that the Secretary of Treasury was president Of the Federal Reserve of New York when he was picked.
Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 5:43 am
by AlphaDoG
All I have to say is google \"FEMA Camps.\"
Re:
Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 6:56 am
by Octopus
flip wrote: The fact remains that there is a huge power swing developing on a global level. Half the states in this country have publicly and together expressed their disapproval at the Federal Governments Global agenda.
flip wrote:
Again I think that the fact that 25 states together made public resolutions accusing the Federal Government of issuing mandates that overstep their authority and encroach on a states rights to self govern gives it alot more credibility.
And they’re idiots. In fact most of the country is made up of idiots. And stupidity becomes fear, especially when change occurs. The easiest people to blame are those who are suppose to be in charge.
flip wrote:
That's the truth. Things are definitely fixing to change. So we can sit here and discuss how only fools and the unbalanced believe that kinda nonsense, or we can start discussing what it means and how it's going to affect each and every one of us.
We will have fewer freedoms, that each person will choose to loose to a company. The Government will scratch its head and try to figure out how it’s illegal. But they’re doing their best.
flip wrote:
Even if they are a bunch of crazed, paranoid unstable fools, I can pick out MANY of the arguments in that video that I can prove is true.
It’s not the facts I’m disputing, but the interpretation. You give our Government too much credit. The way the world works has improved (changed) in many ways and that tells me our Government system needs to upgrade to the next version.
There’s huge amounts of data that needs to be gone though. Such as what jobs are going to be lost in the next ten years, by new business models that will be born with new developments in technology. How much will the Japanese economy improve if Americans start changing the way they travel? Will China completely loose grip of its businesses, and what new business models will come from that?
Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 7:54 am
by flip
The thing is I don't know where people like me are gonna end up on the other side of this. If a new world government shapes up then is the Constitution going to be obsoleted? Will this new manifesto have my best interest at heart?
This is one of the facts in that video.They state that in 1913 the government gave power over the control of money to private corporations with the Federal Reserve act.In 1929, just 16 years later the economy collapsed. In 1930 America declared bankruptcy. As a result we have been in debt to the Federal Reserve ever since then. Hence Social Security.
Is that one of the facts your agreeing to? Because the way I interpret that, is that our Government has become a pawn to very wealthy individuals that have control over the printing and dispersing of all the money. SO my whole argument has been NOT to give too much credit to the Government but rather to point out that in this days power structure, the government is also subject to the money not in control of it. Whoever has the power over the money has complete power.