How things work!
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:39 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:05 pm
It’s a good story, but all the lies and exaggerations, make me go….Poo Poo.
This is the same criticism I made about the right’s take on health care reform…there is enuf truth, you don’t have to lie!
This is the same criticism I made about the right’s take on health care reform…there is enuf truth, you don’t have to lie!
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:31 pm
The tiny fragments of truth are completely overshadowed by the exaggerated alarmist propaganda.
Like the statistic that said 4% of the original forests remain in the US... while that is probably true, it is completely ignoring the fact that we farm and grow more trees to meet demand for wood products. Wood is a renewable and \"green\" resource. I would even venture to say that new paper products are better for the environment than recycled paper products because recycling paper requires a great deal more toxic chemicals to complete the process.
Like the statistic that said 4% of the original forests remain in the US... while that is probably true, it is completely ignoring the fact that we farm and grow more trees to meet demand for wood products. Wood is a renewable and \"green\" resource. I would even venture to say that new paper products are better for the environment than recycled paper products because recycling paper requires a great deal more toxic chemicals to complete the process.
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:46 pm
true Krom.
My Dad worked in the paper industry for 30 years in the Northwest. There are some problems with both those thoughts however. It takes a minimum of 35 years to cycle a crop of trees and those aren't very good for lumber. The rings are too far apart as the trees grow so you won't get top dollar and get a lower grade lumber.
Paper can be recycled only so many times (twice I think) before the fiber completely breaks down. This is why you will seldom see more than a 30% post consumer waist mix in recycled paper you buy. That way, it can continue to be recycled productively.
A good thing is that Alder makes a very Good fine grade of paper. It grows quickly with a max 200+ year life and puts nutrients back into the ground while it grows. Weyerhauser was experimenting with it a while back and it looks promising. The 4% is the original Virgin old growth that is in our national parks. ... which the government is slowly selling off.
THAT is what the whole spotted owl thing is about. .. it's NOT about the owls, but saving old growth that the Feds would otherwise sell.
(I'll watch the vid later)
Oh, one more thing. Neither new or recycled is better. Both are extraordinarily toxic processes. The acids and caustics they use are very VERY toxic.
My Dad worked in the paper industry for 30 years in the Northwest. There are some problems with both those thoughts however. It takes a minimum of 35 years to cycle a crop of trees and those aren't very good for lumber. The rings are too far apart as the trees grow so you won't get top dollar and get a lower grade lumber.
Paper can be recycled only so many times (twice I think) before the fiber completely breaks down. This is why you will seldom see more than a 30% post consumer waist mix in recycled paper you buy. That way, it can continue to be recycled productively.
A good thing is that Alder makes a very Good fine grade of paper. It grows quickly with a max 200+ year life and puts nutrients back into the ground while it grows. Weyerhauser was experimenting with it a while back and it looks promising. The 4% is the original Virgin old growth that is in our national parks. ... which the government is slowly selling off.
THAT is what the whole spotted owl thing is about. .. it's NOT about the owls, but saving old growth that the Feds would otherwise sell.(I'll watch the vid later)
Oh, one more thing. Neither new or recycled is better. Both are extraordinarily toxic processes. The acids and caustics they use are very VERY toxic.
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:16 pm
Our government's job is \"to take care of us\"??
I stopped right about there for tonight. Are there more such pearls of wisdom to be found in the ensuing 21-odd minutes? Just curious.
I stopped right about there for tonight. Are there more such pearls of wisdom to be found in the ensuing 21-odd minutes? Just curious.
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:17 pm
LOL...yes, lots and lots...
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:35 pm
...you...didn't make it to the part about the computers and the one piece that doesn't fit because its a different shape?dissent wrote: Are there more such pearls of wisdom to be found in the ensuing 21-odd minutes? Just curious.
Start at 12:45....
I doubt this is serious.
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:27 am
environmental claptrap.
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:13 am
Caught a bit of Glen Beck last night,
guess which video he was ranting on because a \"watchdog\" (who didn't want to be identified), emailed him saying it was shown in his school.
About 20 minutes of coverage because someone on the internets emailed him!!
That man is his own religion.
guess which video he was ranting on because a \"watchdog\" (who didn't want to be identified), emailed him saying it was shown in his school.
About 20 minutes of coverage because someone on the internets emailed him!!
That man is his own religion.
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:07 pm
OMFG LOL
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:22 pm
I made it to 3 minutes and had to reclaim the balance of my sanity!
She opens by saying the government spends over half of our taxes on the military. total BS! They only spend 20% on the military and that includes international security assistance ie; other countries defense! Over 40% of our taxes goes on health care and social security!
Who wrote this indoctrination tool? Michael Moore?
She opens by saying the government spends over half of our taxes on the military. total BS! They only spend 20% on the military and that includes international security assistance ie; other countries defense! Over 40% of our taxes goes on health care and social security!
Who wrote this indoctrination tool? Michael Moore?
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:40 pm
Moore's not an environ-mental.
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:19 pm
This claptrap emanates from the Tides foundation.
http://www.tides.org/
It is being shown in schools around the country as fact, and people need to be aware of this crap.
http://www.capitalismalovestory.com/ is Michael Moore's new film which is a must see for lefties.
http://www.tides.org/
It is being shown in schools around the country as fact, and people need to be aware of this crap.
http://www.capitalismalovestory.com/ is Michael Moore's new film which is a must see for lefties.
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:20 pm
LOL. I was just about to comment on what a fine product of our public school system she appeared to be. GIGO.AlphaDoG wrote:It is being shown in schools around the country as fact, and people need to be aware of this crap.
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:49 pm
Lol, Michael Moore thinks the economy is supposed to be a democracy, I think he has the economy confused with the political system.
Which is funny, because if you think about it, the economy is actually far more democratic than the political system.
Which is funny, because if you think about it, the economy is actually far more democratic than the political system.
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:00 pm
so if MM is making a movie criticizing the Capitalist system. is he planning on not taking any profits from his propaganda piece?? 
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:09 pm
He uses all the profit from his movies, to make more movies, as to enlighten the pitiful masses…
Suuuuuurrrreeeeee
Suuuuuurrrreeeeee