What are your rights worth?

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:20 am

As I was stumbling across the vastness that is the internet, I came across this:

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6968

I hardly start threads here, but I figured this page is worth it. I don't want this turning into another \"obama is a <insert flavour here>\" thread, and I don't want to see this turn into a religious argument (again).

none of that garbage. okay?

so after reading this page, it got me thinking. of all the citizens out there who have guns, why haven't they taken any time to donate or try and hold up the rights they apparently cherish? and if you were asked to donate or take part, would you and how much would you donate?

Cuda68 · Post by **Cuda68** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:08 am

My thoughts are most people are more concerned about appearances than actually doing anything. I myself am a member of the NRA, where a portion of my yearly dues goes to protecting the 2nd Amendment. But again I could easily do more, or give more. I have become lazy knowing I gave a small amount to insure my rights and gain bragging privileges that I do my part to protect the constitution. Not a very good reply but honest.

Spooky · Post by **Spooky** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:49 am

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:32 pm

Here's my problem with the site:

It comes off as just being a sales pitch. I really dislike the modern idea that we seem to have that we have to buy government policy. I'd really rather the site say something along these lines:

\"How much do you value your freedoms? Are they worth 5 minutes to you? Then write to your senator, telling him/her that your vote hinges on protection of the second amendment, and that they should only expect your vote if they support it.\"

It might be reality that our \"representatives\" are bought, but I think it's stupid, and I don't think it's nearly what our forefathers intended.

The root of the problem, though, is our apathy as voters, like Cuda said.

flip · Post by **flip** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:41 pm

The thing that pisses me off about the debate on the 2nd Amendment, is there's not supposed to be a debate.
It's supposed to be guaranteed by the Constitution. If you can knock one off the others lose their integrity altogether and are soon to follow. What do you do with people like that Ferno?

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:14 pm

I suppose I have to remind you guys that this is not a debate on the second amendment or what you believe, but a question of whether you, yes YOU, would donate or not.

re-read my last paragraph in the first post. So far, cuda is the only one that's directly answered it.

flip · Post by **flip** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:00 pm

Okay you want all of us to admit were not doing jack

Here's my point. The blood for those rights has already been spilled. It's been guaranteed by the Constitution. When those foundational beliefs start coming under attack your either fixing to lose them or start fighting like hell again. So, the most effective way I could think of donating would be to actually exercise your rights. Hell I see people taking orders from complete strangers these days, or the one I hate the most \"are you sure we can do that?\" Man I hate that one. Use them or lose them. That's how you contribute.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:00 pm

flip wrote:Okay you want all of us to admit were not doing jack

lol. no I don't WANT you to do anything. but if you aren't, please be honest and admit it.

It would be nice to see if you are, though.

Here's my point. The blood for those rights has already been spilled. It's been guaranteed by the Constitution. When those foundational beliefs start coming under attack your either fixing to lose them or start fighting like hell again. So, the most effective way I could think of donating would be to actually exercise your rights. Hell I see people taking orders from complete strangers these days, or the one I hate the most "are you sure we can do that?" Man I hate that one. Use them or lose them. That's how you contribute.

That's an interesting and very valid way of contributing. Thank you.

flip · Post by **flip** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:38 pm

I sometimes let my dinner conversations be over heard if I think it's worth hearing

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:59 pm

Ferno wrote:I suppose I have to remind you guys that this is not a debate on the second amendment or what you believe, but a question of whether you, yes YOU, would donate or not.

re-read my last paragraph in the first post. So far, cuda is the only one that's directly answered it.

Let me re-phrase my post: No, I really don't think I'd donate, because I have an ideological problem with the idea that money will buy policy. I think (and would act to support) that time & effort should be what we put into supporting/pushing for policy. I also think that our time & effort should be focused on holding our representatives responsible for genuinely representing us. So, if asked to donate something, I'd be more inclined to donate time in the form of attendance, rather than just money.

(I also don't trust them to spend the money responsibly.)

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