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Absolutely amazing. The kidnappers of the four Italian civilians in Iraq (now three since one was murdered last week) are demanding a Peace Demonstration in Italy. If they aren't sufficiently impressed, they will kill the hostages. Truth really is stranger than fiction.

"We tell you, we will show good faith and free them...if you sympathize with our cause, show solidarity with us and publicly reject the policy of your prime minister by staging a big demonstration in your capital to protest against the war and call on your government to withdraw from our country," Arabiya quoted the purported kidnappers as saying in a statement.

"We grant you five days, after which we will kill them without any hesitation or any other warning," added the statement, signed by a group calling itself the Green Brigade.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... talians_dc

This, once and for all, proves that these people are absolutely nuts. Unbelievable. What planet do they think they live on? As has been said before, the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist. I sincerely hope that special forces find some way to rescue those who were kidnapped, but unfortunately, I fear their days are numbered at the hands of these wackos.

Unless the special forces find them and rescue them, I would consider that all of them were dead the moment they were captured. I have absolutely no belief that these people would ever free their hostages no matter what demands were met.

Top Gun wrote:As has been said before, the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

ahahha.
what a moronic comment. do you realize how many times that bullshiz "bumper sticker" line of thinking has been used to justify rascist murder in the history of the human mammal? way to go!

as far as the story. it's from reuters, i thought we wern't allowed to read that source?

anyway it's amature hour. unfortunately some italian people will be executed because no one plays their extremist faction cowardly games anymore.

Racist? These terrorists want to kill us. As far as I see it, there's no option but to kill them before they can do so. I don't care about what's happened in the past; today's problems have nothing to do with race and have everything to do with a bunch of crazy fanatics who want America destroyed. I'll continue to use my "bumper sticker" lines, thank you very much.

"the only good injun is a dead injun"
"the only good ★■◆● is a dead ★■◆●"
"the only good jew is a dead jew"
"the only good jap is a dead jap"
"the only good commie is a dead commie"
"the only good catholic is a dead catholic"
"the only good fag is a dead fag"
"the only good fill in the blank is a dead fill in the blank"

don't be stupid in 2004 that's what the war is about, right?

On review, thinking it through twice, I still think terrorists are different from all the other examples you have there cops. I think it is because terrorists are committed to killing us, to them the only good infidel is a dead infidel.

[Edit: not to mention, the terrorists are like Nazis, they surely will have problems with: indians, blacks, jews, asians, comunists, catholics, gays, lesbians, and everyone else because they are all infidels.]

No one ever said the Iraqis were the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Lothar, I think Beefis is testing you.

btw, Beefis, you missed one:

*The only good sanctimonious little nihilist is a dead sanctimonious little nihilist.*

he's not crossing any lines -- just making a bad argument.

Wanting to kill "Jews, Niggers, Japs, and Injuns" (or Muslims) is racist. Wanting to kill "catholics and fags" is unjustly discriminatory. These are all straight-up wrong.

Wanting to kill "commies" during the cold war is a bit different -- unlike Jews, Niggers, Japs, Injuns, Catholics, and fags, the commies *were* after us at some level, though probably it was more their commanders than the actual soldiers who wished us harm. They were, as a group, a legtimate threat to the lives of a number of us in this thread.

Now, "terrorists" (particularly those in Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hizballah, and certain other groups) are different from any of the other groups listed -- because their membership actively desires our deaths. Not only are they a legitimate threat to the lives of many of us, but their membership is just as angry as their leaders -- unlike the "commies", where the soliders might not care about what they're fighting for, every terrorist in the above groups is there because they want to kill Americans or Jews (and probably both.)

Now, you might not see that difference as significant enough to warrant killing, but you have to admit, for some people it is.

The *line* he's crossing is the tired game of brow-beating another poster for expressing an opinion he doesn't like. E&C isn't here for ad hominem attacks on others who have taken the time and thought to post an opinion. Rather it's here for everyone to have an opportunity to present one of their own on topic. Similarly, I start topics to stimulate dicussions, not for narcissists to hijack them for their own aggrandizement.

heh, looks like I was sleeping on the job. I don't think I even read that post...

bash is right. Respect others' right to post, and don't go hating on people for expressing their opinions. Flames and insults go in the NHB...

Next thing you know, they'll ask for a shrubbery.

what am i a terrorist now? everyone's a terrorist. that was the point.

and i'm not sanctimonious, i'm a slob.

"etc...the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist...etc"

Chechen rebels (terrorists by your standards) are no threat to the USA.

but they are terrorists. so does this mean you are at war (thxs bush) with them?

gotta remember, a "terrorist" isn't a political faction, with a particular set of certain shared definable ideals.
it's a method of war.

i await to hear the coined term for armys that fight via remote control, this seems to be the new upcomming flavour. we'll definitely need a slogan.

chechen rebels make nuclear trigger fingers in moscow itchy. Same deal with Kashmir. Same deal with all the muslim insurgents in that area of the former soviet union.

Russia is a federated state... international security would suffer a blow if that broke up like the soviet union.

hmm let me rephrase:
"why do you care about terrorists from an area that has prettymuch nothing to do with american interests, and is therefore hardly even given any publicity as a result".

they have little in common with "the enemy" that's put forward in anti-terrorist propeganda.

you can't call them ragheads or sandniggers, actaully i'm uncertain there would be much support for a war against them at all because there is few to none racist slurs that could possibly be used by the biggotted rednecks who generally support war .

no cops, not everyone is a terrorist.

Though I should say, Top Gun's point would be better recieved if he'd specified which terrorist groups he was referring to (whether it's groups that are listed on the state department's website, or what.)

Its simple, there is no such thing as a "good terrorist".

roid wrote:hmm let me rephrase:
"why do you care about terrorists from an area that has prettymuch nothing to do with american interests, and is therefore hardly even given any publicity as a result".

the US has no interest in Russia? news to me. Mind you, Chechens rebels have commited terrorist acts in Russia. Remember the Moscow theatre incident?

roid wrote: you can't call them ragheads or sandniggers, actaully i'm uncertain there would be much support for a war against them at all because there is few to none racist slurs that could possibly be used by the biggotted rednecks who generally support war .

Chechens are predominatly Sunni muslim, so one could call them ragheads.

roid keeps dancing around my pissed off American flame button.

Krom wrote:Its simple, there is no such thing as a "good terrorist".

Thank you Krom, that about sums up my position . What I meant by my earlier post is that any coward who deliberately murders innocents to push some sort of twisted agenda, i.e. a "terrorist," does not deserve to live. Chechen rebels, al-Qaida, Iraqi insurgents, Timothy McVeigh...they all fit my definition, and I would rather see any of them with a bullet in their heads than free and able to harm more innocents. While I have particular loathing for those groups that have targeted the US and its armed forces, I am also referring to any similar organization, such as that which bombed a nightclub in Bali. All of these people are the true scum of the earth.

now that i re-read this, that was dumbarse drama queen posting on my part. but "browbeating" is not what what i was doing. it's dangerous when people use the ancient phrase "the only good ____ is a dead ____." you simply can't paint brush on humans from a certain culture that way... and i know you said "terrorist" and not "muslim". i am clearly aware of that fact. but in the real world (not internet land) people do talk that way about muslims only they whisper.

in my defense you must understand something... i work with people, deal with people in the year 2004 that are prejudice, and they come from all walks. so when i read that ye ole' phrase on the internet i react.... maybe very poorly or even illogically. you can bang on me for that. i understand.

but i fear slogans like that, they have never served anything but suffering.

I agree with you on that slogans accomplish nothing. The only thing that will accomplish something is well-thought-out action, which I trust in our military to provide. I am also sorry that you have to deal with heavily prejudiced people on a daily basis; these type of people reveal the darker side of humanity.

fliptw wrote:

roid wrote:hmm let me rephrase:
"why do you care about terrorists from an area that has prettymuch nothing to do with american interests, and is therefore hardly even given any publicity as a result".

the US has no interest in Russia? news to me. Mind you, Chechens rebels have commited terrorist acts in Russia. Remember the Moscow theatre incident?

yeah that was my point. they are terrorists.
but i don't see america doing aything about it. however i guess you could get away with saying russia has it under control.

sorry i was just pointing out hypocracys, just in case anyone fergot . hearing political and dumb slogans just really hits my "everyone's a dumbass, time for a crusade!" button.

Chechens are predominatly Sunni muslim, so one could call them ragheads.

you sir, have just owned me.