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anti-immigrant fervor, a military increasingly dependent upon drones, the lure of the virtual worlds all sounds real or is it like science fiction? All this is going on now in real life or is it the TV show Caprica?

How is the movie and tv industry used in propaganda?

You want to see how time changes things watch 2 movies.

The Day the Earth Stood Still 1951 classic sci-fi film

The Day the Earth Stood Still 2008 remake of the classic sci-fi film

The theme is the same humans will destroy the Earth but 2 different reasons for the destruction.

The only thing I know, is I don't want to live in this world they're building around me. And for the people that want to take away the freedom I love, that should be very, very scary for them.

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roid wrote:continue insurrectionist

Take Monsters vs Aliens

The Missing Link: [while outside for the first time in 50 years] It a little hotter than I remember. Has the Earth gotten warmer? It would be great to know that... that would be a very convenient truth.

*Edit*Hollywood Goes to War is one of the first films to explain Propaganda used for the US

Throughout the twentieth century, mass communications became an extremely popular tool for learning. The communications revolution had a large influence on both the political and moral realms. Films became the most popular medium used by the American government to transmit its political and social message. It marked the first time in history that the American government had the opportunity to directly shape the ideas and perceptions of such a large percentage of its citizens.

Propaganda and Hollywood
The American government was faced with one major challenge. Too much propaganda could wreck Hollywood’s entertainment appeal, which would reduce a large percentage of its targeted audience. Hollywood was faced with the difficult task of incorporating propaganda into its film without hurting its profits. In the span of 6 months, from December of 1941 to July of 1942, a total of 72 films that could be classified as “war features” were released in the United States. They usually depicted the Japanese as blood thirsty barbarians and had the Americans cast as the outraged innocent nation.

source= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_film *Edit*

One only has to see a Michael Moore flick to understand propaganda in films is alive and well.

it's expected for the culture society produces, to somewhat mirror society's concerns as a whole.

However society is also always somewhat factionalised, with various cultural outputs appealing to and mirroring certain specific factions' concerns and viewpoints. As such, films will be a part of healthy cultural warfare, which is a healthy part of democratic and free society.

On the otherhand I think a lot of film makers enjoy the challenge of trying to introduce new and interesting viewpoints to the audience, particularly in independant film. They tend to not appeal to the lowest common demoninator.

As an example of films i didn't like - I found the \"ecological conservation\" mantra of the Avatar film to be tired, overdone, and lacking in subtlety. But i have to remember this is still a big issue currently, and perhaps other people arn't as overfamilure with these issues as i am. Talking of lowest common demoninator, a lot of films are probably made for kids, who are ignorant by nature and thus soak up much needed educational content from the films they see.

Perhaps you will like this article, i read it years ago but it seems relevant to what you're saying about propeganda and culture in general. It's more from a standpoint of \"following the money\", which in our web 2.0 age (with user generated independant content becomming stronger and stronger) seems to be less and less relevant thankfully.
But here's the article.
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm


I'm not sure if this example is given in the article, but i understand that the military still has a lot of influence over movies, particularly action movies. Apart from the basic \"follow the money\" thing of just simply providing funding for movies that they like, or even flat out writing the scripts themselves from the ground up... They can also force film makers to make script changes that show the military in a good light - in exchange for letting the film makers use their equipment (coz where else are you going to get a Tank or APC for your film?)

Another relevant example is the \"embedded journalists\" in the latest middle eastern wars. The military repays favourable stories.
Even the Whitehouse can refuse to give favours to news organisations that give unfavourable news reports. An example of this may be how the Obama administration a few months ago was not taking questions form FOX in it's press interviews - going as far as to say that \"FOX isn't a real news organisation\". Honestly, i think that's a pretty accurate statement. But i'm sure some wing-nuts cried fowl, and honestly i think it's a bit of a slippery slope myself.
(i'd rather the Whitehouse backed up it's statement more, also FOX should just lift it's game and learn some journalistic integrity for once.)

(sorry i haven't seen monsters vs aliens... what were the major themes?)

Roid wrote:a lot of films are probably made for kids, who are ignorant by nature and thus soak up much needed educational content from the films they see.

That is at once one of the saddest and one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

“Talking of lowest common demoninator, a lot of films are probably made for kids, who are ignorant by nature and thus soak up much needed educational content from the films they see.”

Now there’s a scary thought.

(sorry guys i was still editing that post when you replied, there's more there.)

education is mostly intuitive, kids learning more from culture than anything else.

Human babies are some of the most helpless babies of any species, our slate is so incredibly blank we can learn anything. This capability for our children to adapt so quickly is ultimately why we're just a powerful species. Culture and language is very powerful, you guys shouldn't discount it's importance. Without it we would all be drooling idiots.

woodchip wrote:One only has to see a Michael Moore flick to understand propaganda in films is alive and well.

Alive well and out in the open with Michael Moore but then there is the hidden propaganda in main stream entertainment. Which is far more dangerous as roid points out but is ok with.

roid wrote:a lot of films are probably made for kids, who are ignorant by nature and thus soak up much needed educational content from the films they see.

Movies from different times all within 1 or 2 decades.

Movies with global warming themes

The Day After Tomorrow
The Day the Earth Stood Still (2008)
A.I. Artificial Intelligence
The Arrival
Split Second

Movies with Nuclear War as Theme

Mad Max
Mad Max 2
War Games
Octopussy
The Terminator any of the Terminator series.
The Day After
One Night Stand
Mad Max 3

I'm sure there is more to both the list.

*edit* If you want to watch a piece of Health Care propaganda watch Critical Care (1997) One of the best lines I recall is where James Spader is talking to the head Doctor of Memorial Hospital (whose tag line is At Memorial Hospital no one ever dies... Until their insurance runs out.) about a patient on full life support. He ask the doc if he wanted to be hook up to all those tubes. He says no that's why I don't have health insurance. *edit*

My country has had publicly-funded universal health care for 35 years (i'm only 28, so i've never experienced any different), and is one of the best in the world.

I watch American medical dramas and am DISGUSTED by what you people accept as normal. From a medical wellbeing point of view your nation is living (more like dying amirite?) in the dark ages.

You should think about what \"Health Care propaganda\" looks like to the rest of the first world who adopted universal health care decades ago and have never looked back.

roid wrote:I watch American medical dramas and am DISGUSTED by what you people accept as normal. From a medical wellbeing point of view your nation is living (more like dying amirite?) in the dark ages.

let me get this right... your baseing your whole opinion and all your posts here about the American medical system off of televisions shows?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Roid's indoctrination is complete.

Come on guys, Roid may have a point. I watch \"House\" and I'm impressed by how capable our hospitals are.

roid wrote:My country has had publicly-funded universal health care for 35 years (i'm only 28, so i've never experienced any different), and is one of the best in the world.

So just because our friends jump off the bridge we have to do it.

ThunderBunny wrote:Roid's indoctrination is complete.

[paranoid rant]Just goes to show you how dangerous it is for the Government and Hollywood to work together. You get all these influences beamed almost directly into you head from a box of flashing light and sound. Then people will let that box be a baby sitter. All the while the Government and Hollywood direct the young minds in giving up a little more freedom.[/paranoid rant]

I thought he was speaking figuratively when he used the word \"dramas\".

I guess I'd have to know a little more about Australia's government and society to really answer that kind of an accusation. My only exposure to Australia, for the greater part, is to their wildlife and wild terrain.

roid wrote:My country has had publicly-funded universal health care for 35 years (i'm only 28, so i've never experienced any different), and is one of the best in the world.

well aparently you should try a different countries health-care system if you think that. your countries health-care system is ranked just marginaly better than the US system


32
Australia

37
U.S.A.

Anybody (and I mean ANYBODY) who bases any opinion at all based on what they see on television shows (ANY television show) ... is supremely naive, and would do a LOT better to get their understanding from Wikipedia with ALL of it's glorious inaccuracies. ... and they would still be very, very, very wrong.

Reminds me of a song ... \"I Saw It On T.V.\" by John Fogerty
- click here for the lyrics
- Click here to play it from Lala.com

Only a bunch of idiots would base their opinions on what they see on TV.

TechPro wrote:Anybody (and I mean ANYBODY) who bases any opinion at all based on what they see on television shows (ANY television show) ... is supremely naive

gotta disagree with you there. I base my opinion of American Television Entertainment entirely on what I see on T.V.

Kilarin wrote:

TechPro wrote:Anybody (and I mean ANYBODY) who bases any opinion at all based on what they see on television shows (ANY television show) ... is supremely naive

gotta disagree with you there. I base my opinion of American Television Entertainment entirely on what I see on T.V.

Ok, I'll give you that one.

CUDA wrote:

roid wrote:I watch American medical dramas and am DISGUSTED by what you people accept as normal. From a medical wellbeing point of view your nation is living (more like dying amirite?) in the dark ages.

let me get this right... your baseing your whole opinion and all your posts here about the American medical system off of televisions shows?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Hey idiots, READ THE OP AND THE THREAD TOPIC. We're talking about TV shows in this thread.


When i say i'm DISGUSTED, i'm talking about the inability of the poor of your country to afford proper healthcare.

In Australia, the government subsidises the medical care of the poor (so it's free), and you'll be hard pressed to find any prescription medicine over $5 (again, government subsidises, and all based on drug effectiveness (shitty drugs don't get subsidised, and drug companies are not allowed to advertise to the public).

What did you guys think of the first episode of Morgan Spurlock's tv show called "30 days"? He tried to live on minimum wage (another serious problem in America) for 30 days, his wife had to goto the emergency ward to treat an infection and it cost a few thousand dollars - how do people living on minimum wage pay that?
Maybe the poor should just die.

Insurrectionist wrote:How is the movie and tv industry used in propaganda?

roid wrote:I watch American medical dramas and am DISGUSTED by what you people accept as normal. From a medical wellbeing point of view your nation is living (more like dying amirite?) in the dark ages.

as the OP points out its propaganda. not once does he mention health-care in his post, yet you come along with the fishook in your mouth and post this

When i say i'm DISGUSTED, i'm talking about the inability of the poor of your country to afford proper healthcare

baseing your opinion of our health-care on the PROPAGANDA you watch on TV. not to mention that you again go right back to pointing to Austrailia's health-care and talking about the merits of it. which we have already established as marginally better than the system your blasting. so since you chose to take this thread onto a health-care tangent based upon the PROPAGANDA television show that you watch from a country that you dont live in, I wonder who the Idiot is.

Insurrectionist wrote: *edit* If you want to watch a piece of Health Care propaganda watch Critical Care (1997) One of the best lines I recall is where James Spader is talking to the head Doctor of Memorial Hospital (whose tag line is At Memorial Hospital no one ever dies... Until their insurance runs out.) about a patient on full life support. He ask the doc if he wanted to be hook up to all those tubes. He says no that's why I don't have health insurance. *edit*

I did mention health care first so roid was in the right to fire on healthcare, but it was all about a movie propaganda. Still the subject line is propaganda and the Movie and TV industry.

I think the news is part of the propaganda machine also. You have one guy in the white house issuing statements to the rest of the handful of the press that is allowed to be in the press room. Then the press reports the statements to their respective news outlets. So with that being said how can you trust news that comes from the White House.

understood. but by roid's own admission he is baseing his opinion on our heath-care by watching American television shows. thats like baseing your opinion on evolution by watching Land of the Lost.

CUDA wrote:understood. but by roid's own admission he is baseing his opinion on our heath-care by watching American television shows. thats like baseing your opinion on evolution by watching Land of the Lost.

Mawhahahahahahaha

So how many here have be watching Caprica on syfy

Did you notice that they have legal drugs in bars and depicts the followers of the one true god as fanatics does this sound familiar. You know there is nothing more dangerous then a follower of a monotheistic religion.

CUDA wrote:

roid wrote:I watch American medical dramas and am DISGUSTED by what you people accept as normal. From a medical wellbeing point of view your nation is living (more like dying amirite?) in the dark ages.

as the OP points out its propaganda.

Oh so in your country people on minimum wage actually DON'T get charged medical costs they can't afford. So the first episode of "30 days" was actually all bull★■◆●, just propaganda, gotcha.

you should watch the first episode.

CUDA wrote:you again go right back to pointing to Austrailia's health-care and talking about the merits of it. which we have already established as marginally better than the system your blasting

No. All you did was say Australia's healthcare was better than Americas: 32 vs 37. With no source for your information or scale to your figures.
I would actually expect America's healthcare to be better than Australia's - but only for those who can afford it.

roid wrote:Land of the Lost is my Favorite documentary

Oh so in your country people on minimum wage actually DON'T get charged medical costs they can't afford. So the first episode of "30 days" was actually all *****, just propaganda, gotcha.

have you ever been to America??? more importantly have you ever been in need of American medical services????

in this country NO ONE is denied medical treatment based on their inability to pay

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay

uhm ya Propaganda.

With no source for your information or scale to your figures.
I would actually expect America's healthcare to be better than Australia's

actually it was WHO figures, look it up yourself I'm tired of proving you wrong.

From what I remember reading, in the US, you aren't denied health care but you are given less quality health care if you have no insurance. The best doctors work at hospitals that only accept patients with good insurance.

I've read a few times where people have been refused treatment at a hospital and told to go to a community hospital to get free healthcare and die on route.

In Canada, no matter who you are, you get free healthcare. No matter what the injury is. Need no insurance.

Wether it is the best type of healthcare or not we don't know but I for one enjoy knwoing I never have to worry about being turned away.

CDN_Merlin wrote:I've read a few times where people have been refused treatment at a hospital and told to go to a community hospital to get free healthcare and die on route.

It's possible this might have happened. it was CLEARLY illegal if it did

There is no such thing as free health care, I don’t care where you live.

CUDA wrote:

CDN_Merlin wrote:I've read a few times where people have been refused treatment at a hospital and told to go to a community hospital to get free healthcare and die on route.

It's possible this might have happened. it was CLEARLY illegal if it did

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... oor-people

ROFLOL OH the Irony

Maybe he should direct his efforts to the hospital his wife Michelle works for, as it appears the University of Chicago Medical Center \"steers patients who don't have private insurance -- primarily poor, black people -- to other health care facilities.\"

Yeah. that's a university hospital. Like OHSU.

They like to think they're special.

Making sure your people are healthy and alive should not have to depend on wether they can afford high priced insurance.