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This is what Beck would look like if he were a Progressive. Just beautiful! Thank you John Stewart!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-m ... ibertarian

Comedy++ I'm not impressed. Trying to derive any substance from that against Glen Beck is like trying to suck only the syrup out of that fountain pop with your straw. And for the record I'm not a Glen Beck fan.

I AM a Glenn Beck fan and I watched that Stewart show yesterday, and I thought it was the most hilarious ★■◆● I've ever seen. You gotta understand if you can't laugh at yourself and what you like, well...

\"Let's see what the letter 'E' has to do with....Oh my God! It's Hitler!\"

I can laugh at myself and what I like, but there are some things in life that I don't think are laughing matters. If one can laugh at anything I think that makes one a fool. If John Stewart didn't have a liberal axe to grind then I might laugh along. If I didn't think he would ridicule more sane, decent examples of conservatism, I would see fit to let my guard down a little more.

It was too spot on for me to find it funny. Glen Beck is far more dangerous then any of the people he rants and raves about on his show.

I guffawed but I'm also alongside goober on this one.

Sergeant Thorne wrote: If John Stewart didn't have a liberal axe to grind then I might laugh along.

What I find refreshing about Stewart is that he ADMITS he comes from the left, and yet still has no problem pounding the left good and hard whenever he thinks they deserve it. Or even just whenever he thinks it would be funny.

This particular piece, not so funny to me really. Good lampoon of Beck, and some good points on how we can take arguments to the extreme, but overall missing some important points and just not as funny as Stewart can be at times.

And, really, I could enjoy John Stewart a LOT more if he wasn't always so obscene. He makes some really pointed commentary, frequently funny, and frequently good points. But, unfortunately, he intersperses it all with rude and obscene jokes that really detract from both the point and the humor in my opinion.

in my opinion <this clip> is much more pointed and funny. Note how he hits both sides hard, and quite justly in my opinion.

John Stewart is very funny to me and an equal opportunity comedian even if he lets his personal leanings be known but most important for me he never seems to put partisanship ahead of the joke. With Stewart \"funny\" is inherently funny or he doesn't bother with it.
Bill Mahr on the other hand is also a clever guy but he often abandons both good comedy and logic in order to favor one side of the political divide.

With Stewart there is truth in his comedy and that is a component of good political/social comedy, with Mahr truth is often a victim of his agenda and it leaves him looking like an asshat.

I'm with Kilarin--Jon Stewart normally kicks ass, but this clip was rather meh, maybe because of the reason that Goob pointed out.

Stewart does really good interviews too, especially when they're with someone that he disagrees with. The ones with Bill Kristol and Mike Huckabee come immediately to mind to name a few. It's hard to find debates that intelligent on the \"real\" news networks.

Aside from what news I see on the DBB and my Google home page, Stewart and Colbert are my primary sources of news. Say what you want... I realize that for news-fact density, I could do better with something like PBS's NewsHour, but Stewart and Colbert are hilarious, and I think I'm still better off than most.

*SilverFJ wrote:I AM a Glenn Beck fan

haha

Gooberman wrote:It was too spot on for me to find it funny. Glen Beck is far more dangerous then any of the people he rants and raves about on his show.

Not true. Beck has no power to enforce his agenda. Beck can only do his schtik on tv and then the viewers can determine what they believe. The truly dangerous people now are Obama,Reid and Pelosi, who are twisting arms, making back room deals and using quasi legitimate parliamentarian means to pass a bill most Americans do not want (as written).

For those who doubt my quasi statement:

Key House Democrat: \"There Are No Rules Here ... We Make Them Up As We Go Along\"

woodchip wrote:

Gooberman wrote:It was too spot on for me to find it funny. Glen Beck is far more dangerous then any of the people he rants and raves about on his show.

Not true. Beck has no power to enforce his agenda. Beck can only do his schtik on tv and then the viewers can determine what they believe...

True. There is Beck and Limbaugh and Hannity and...well....there must be at least a few more but then again maybe not and yet from the other side you have the writers behind each movie, each television show and every pop star, comedian and movie star etc. etc. etc. that are just as effective in shaping their audiences viewpoint and they are almost all liberals but no one calls them dangerous.

What is dangerous is wanting to silence the opponents instead of engaging them.

woodchip wrote:Not true. Beck has no power to enforce his agenda. Beck can only do his schtik on tv and then the viewers can determine what they believe. The truly dangerous people now are Obama,Reid and Pelosi, who are twisting arms, making back room deals and using quasi legitimate parliamentarian means to pass a bill most Americans do not want (as written).

Glenn Beck gets in front of the camera every night and tries to convince people that they are losing their coutry.

He is actually so bold as to get infront of the camera and try and claim that those in the white house are followers of Mao and Che. He has made the statement that we are going to be lead to the slaughter house. He shows graphic images from WW2 and not so subtly equates them with a debate on whether or not Health care should be considered a common need like the police department or the fire department. Seriously, how disrespectful can you be to those whom actually did die in those systems?

Yes Glenn Beck has the freedom to say whatever he wants, but what he says is on the same level as Fred Phelps and this society should shun him in a similar manner.

These are not policy disagreements, this is inciting people to violence. The system is not broken, this system -- as it was designed -- has brought us exactly what we have.

There was no secrecy that the democrats were going to try and reform Health care in a big way. It was quite literally, all Hillary and Obama talked about, their side won. If one thinks they are hijacking the will of the American people, like Glenn Beck claims every night, then that doesn't make them historically (i.e. just one year ago), inaccurate...it makes them a damn fool!

Gooberman wrote:...
There was no secrecy that the democrats were going to try and reform Health care in a big way. It was quite literally, all Hillary and Obama talked about, their side won. If one thinks they are hijacking the will of the American people, like Glenn Beck claims every night, then that doesn't make them historically (i.e. just one year ago), inaccurate...it makes them a damn fool!..

Just because two people campaigned on a vague issue doesn't mean the majority of Americans don't oppose the details of the current legislation one of those two people now wants to enact. The polls indicate Beck is correct regarding the desires of the American people, they don't want this legislation.

As far as Beck somehow raising the bar with regards to stirring up violence I don't think he's put up a picture of Obama on the TV screen with the words "Snipers Wanted" underneath it as we saw with the liberals on TV and President Bush's picture.....
There are plenty of liberals on TV all the time making a living out of stirring up hatred for conservatives so suck it up and deal with it.

Will Robinson wrote: Just because two people campaigned on a vague issue doesn't mean the majority of Americans don't oppose the details of the current legislation one of those two people now wants to enact. The polls indicate Beck is correct regarding the desires of the American people, they don't want this legislation.

I guess I have two comments.

1. don't understand how you can claim it was vague, re-watch that you tube debate, what they were arguing about were health care bills that went far above and beyond -- and far more invasive-- then what we got last night.

2. The polls are something akin to 40% to 50%, its not the landslide Glenn Beck wants you to believe. Do you recall what the polls said about whether or not we should leave Iraq?

To quote Bush, "The only poll that matters is the one that happened in November." A politician can't govern based on polls and if you want I have no doubt I could dig up a quote of you somewhere conveying that theme.

As far as Beck somehow raising the bar with regards to stirring up violence I don't think he's put up a picture of Obama on the TV screen with the words "Snipers Wanted" underneath it as we saw with the liberals on TV and President Bush's picture.....
There are plenty of liberals on TV all the time making a living out of stirring up hatred for conservatives so suck it up and deal with it.

Please give me a name of a single television host who advocated the assassination of Bush. Let alone on the biggest cable television news channel. Keith Olbermann said some pretty nasty stuff, but our side does shun him, his ratings suck ass. Glenn Beck just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger....

Now, if you are comparing Glenn Beck to random loons on the street, then hey, looks like we agree!!

Gooberman wrote:...
I guess I have two comments.

1. don't understand how you can claim it was vague, re-watch that you tube debate, what they were arguing about were health care bills that went far above and beyond -- and far more invasive-- then what we got last night.

And since that debate the details of the "plan" has been a moving target...so elusive and morphing that as recently as 11 days ago Nancy Pelosi said "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"
So don't tell me the details were known for america to approve of all this time.
Obama promised the debate between congress and other interested parties would be run on CSPAN, they weren't...in fact numerous times the democrats locked the republicans out of the committees where different options were discussed and the media wasn't allowed in either.

As to the point that the only poll that counts is Nov.
True if you are debating whether or not a President has the right to carry forth with his agenda. Not true if you are examining where the public stands on an issue at any given point in time which is what Beck is saying.

The polls indicate America has been against every form the democrats ever hinted at which is why the details have been secret or ever changing. Because they couldn't get it through congress if the voters had the chance to read the details!!
Witness how it went through with bribes and lies and tons of broken campaign promises as proof of that.

Are you going to be OK if Pat Buchannon wins the Presidency in 3 years and he and his majority ram through every zenophobic isolationist bit of legislature they can?!?
Will you be saying:
'Hey, I know the American people are against the new 'Wall around America' and the cutting off all aide to foreign countries,extreme taxes on all foreign products...and the repeal of immigration reform...and welfare... and etc.etc.
But hey! The only poll that matters is last November when the surge of anyone but Obama voters put him in power] so everyone quit complaining.


I think you'll be singing a different tune entirely when the same thing happens coming back at you and as long as we continue to accept these left/right games we will be the ones who suffer the vanity of the elites in Washington because even when the left or the right is losing, in Washington the players are all winning. Witness the exclusion of the congress from having to use the very system they are now going to force us to buy into at the point of a gun! Witness the exclusions for fatcat union supporters even though it was Obama's promise to tax them....and behold every pet project the powerful senators and congressmen demand exclusion or funding for while we pay the bill and suffer the piss poor management they trickle down our backs and call it rain! Oohhh the cost of health care went down 10%...but the tax to pay for it went up 15%!!!

Gooberman wrote:Please give me a name of a single television host who advocated the assassination of Bush....

one of the many instances of liberals constantly spewing hatred via his nationwide voice on the TV screen Beck has a lot of catching up to do both in terms of quantity and severity if he wants to spread the hate as effectively as liberals do.

Gooberman wrote:

woodchip wrote:Not true. Beck has no power to enforce his agenda. Beck can only do his schtik on tv and then the viewers can determine what they believe. The truly dangerous people now are Obama,Reid and Pelosi, who are twisting arms, making back room deals and using quasi legitimate parliamentarian means to pass a bill most Americans do not want (as written).

He is actually so bold as to get infront of the camera and try and claim that those in the white house are followers of Mao and Che.

So Obama's chief of communications proclaiming one of her two most inspiration people is Mao equates as what?

Will Robinson wrote: And since that debate the details of the "plan" has been a moving target...so elusive and morphing that as recently as 11 days ago Nancy Pelosi said "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"
So don't tell me the details were known for america to approve of all this time.
Obama promised the debate between congress and other interested parties would be run on CSPAN, they weren't...in fact numerous times the democrats locked the republicans out of the committees where different options were discussed and the media wasn't allowed in either.

Well, I've commented before, Obama was either naive or lying when he said he was going to put debates on CSPAN. When ever one party gets in front of a camera to discuss the actions of another, all you get are talking points and speeches to the base, in order to fend off their primary opponents.

Also, all Bills lose popularity when the light is shined on them. Hense when Sarah Paling was on Oreilly last night, and he asked her what she would do with Health care, her response was, "I would support health care that would reduce cost and increase the quality of care..."

What would you do about taxes? "I would decrease taxes and reduce wasteful spending." etc. etc. This is why one cannot govern on polls. If there is anyone whom is remotely taken aback that Obama passed the only health care Bill that he could ... then they deserve this program they so despise.

The polls indicate America has been against every form the democrats ever hinted at which is why the details have been secret or ever changing. Because they couldn't get it through congress if the voters had the chance to read the details!!
Witness how it went through with bribes and lies and tons of broken campaign promises as proof of that.

I wish it wasn't true, but your politically savoy enough to know that this is how things work. I would bet money that if the light was shined on all Bills through the house, their popularity would sink. In the end, am I happy with this Bill? Nope. But I do think its better then the status quo, and republicans didn't do jack about it for so long. This puts the ball firmly in their court to actually address this issue instead of continuing to kick the can down the road. And it is within that respect that I am pleased the Bill was passed.

Are you going to be OK if Pat Buchannon wins the Presidency in 3 years and he and his majority ram through every zenophobic isolationist bit of legislature they can?!?
Will you be saying:
'Hey, I know the American people are against the new 'Wall around America' and the cutting off all aide to foreign countries,extreme taxes on all foreign products...and the repeal of immigration reform...and welfare... and etc.etc.
But hey! The only poll that matters is last November when the surge of anyone but Obama voters put him in power] so everyone quit complaining.


I think you'll be singing a different tune entirely when the same thing happens coming back at you and as long as we continue to accept these left/right games we will be the ones who suffer the vanity of the elites in Washington because even when the left or the right is losing,

This did happen with Bush and his wars. Only, he didn't campaign on going to war. Had Bush campaigned on going to war, and the American people voted for him, and he went to war, Yes I would still be upset....but I wouldn't be crying that "America is dead."

one of the many instances of liberals constantly spewing hatred via his nationwide voice on the TV screen Beck has a lot of catching up to do both in terms of quantity and severity if he wants to spread the hate as effectively as liberals do.

Read the blurb at the bottom, they were properly shunned, and had to apologize. Glenn Beck just keeps on growing, has paranoid rants keep garnering support.

woodchip wrote:
So Obama's chief of communications proclaiming one of her two most inspiration people is Mao equates as what?

We have revisited Anita Dunn several times.

First if I recall, she said "favorite political philosopher" not "inspirational people". Yes, it was a horrid joke for someone in her position, she was trying to get a laugh based on the contrast. You may not recall, because this is where the edit happens, but the second person was Mother Teresa.

You guys are defining someone by one spliced clip.

Gooberman wrote:...Well, I've commented before, Obama was either naive or lying when he said he was going to put debates on CSPAN. When ever one party gets in front of a camera to discuss the actions of another, all you get are talking points and speeches to the base, in order to fend off their primary opponents.

I don't think this is an acceptable excuse for the consistent and numerous promises of this nature he has broken since he ran on the premise that he was going to be different than Washington-as-usual, instead he has been the epitome of a lying politician...he is the Washington he complained about incarnate!

Gooberman wrote:, all Bills lose popularity when the light is shined on them.

This doesn't work either because for it to be relevant you have to assume this bill ever had popularity, it never did so saying their keeping it secret and vague to avoid it losing support that it never had is making excuses for them.

Gooberman wrote:If there is anyone whom is remotely taken aback that Obama passed the only health care Bill that he could ... then they deserve this program they so despise.

He could have passed a bill that doesn't have all the provisions that ruin the free market aspects of our health care system and received lots of support for it. There are a lot of things that people on both sides of the isle were in agreement on with regards to real reform.
In spite of people like Bee who mindlessly swallow the democrat party talking points about the "Party-of-no" the bill that passed had numerous republican provisions in it and they are largely the good parts of the bill because they are designed to control cost and provide accessibility where as much of the rest of it is designed to advance social welfare that is unsustainable without major tax increases and designed to empower Washington. The republicans who were working with democrats toward these provisions dropped their attempt to collaborate when it became clear the democrats were pushing for so much more, like the public option (which will be the end result of what passed today...) and other social engineering aspects of the democrats plans.

Obama didn't try to achieve reform, reform was attainable because the public was stirred up in favor of reform. The public turned on the democrats attempt to turn momentum for reform into something totally different and so the democrats 'passed' it anyway strictly as a political maneuver. Insurance coverage for everyone will shift to this plan because of the way the bill attacks the industry. Obama will be stepping in to 'bail out' the industry the way he bailed out GM and the Banks. Once Obama has to 'save' the healthcare/insurance industry (from his own attack) the public option will be the only option!

Gooberman wrote:

one of the many instances of liberals constantly spewing hatred via his nationwide voice on the TV screen Beck has a lot of catching up to do both in terms of quantity and severity if he wants to spread the hate as effectively as liberals do.

Read the blurb at the bottom, they were properly shunned, and had to apologize. Glenn Beck just keeps on growing, has paranoid rants keep garnering support.

What is Glen Becks audience size compared to the audience size of at least 75% of the rest of the electronic media?!?! He can grow exponentially for a few years at least before he competes with Hollywood et al. and he never will grow much beyond where he is now...unless of course Obama and liberal congress manage to pull of a repeat of this scam to ram through more extremely unpopular legislation in which case Beck is just going to be a conduit of the rage created by the liberals and blaming him will be like blaming the weatherman for a hurricane!

I'm still glad it passed the way it did because I think they went too far and they will suffer and when it gets fixed we'll end up with some solid re-reform. But remember, I'm the guy that was glad we went into Iraq inspite of marginal justification because we could ultimately end up with a very useful strategic presence in the middle east....that hasn't panned out thanks to republicans and democrats....so take my optimism with a grain of salt and consider we may be really screwed by this and we are the last generation of Americans to know the greatness of the american dream before liberalism tried to reverse engineer it and turned it into an abortion gone bad..

Glenn Beck is freakin amazing.