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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:42 pm
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That is such a stupid thing to believe. The republicans have no power to stop the democrats so any failure on the democrats part to accomplish anything is all on them. I asked you a simple question in a related thread, if you had answered it you would have been forced to deal with that reality instead you bailed out and started trolling in other threads and now you are completely showing your wilful ignorance in this one. My guess is you need to post crap like this because you have serious doubts about your own position but don't have the courage to critically consider what it is about your positions that bother you.Bet51987 wrote:...It's become clearer each day that the "Make Obama Fail" mantra which is basically blocking any and all Democratic efforts to actually move this country forward... isn't working that well....
Bee
Bee you obviously aren't willing to second guess your position so I'm not going to bother continuing a one way conversation with you except to ask you why do you think the democrats had such a difficult time passing healthcare reform legislation when they have had the filibuster proof majority in the congress and the Presidency AND America overwhelmingly wanted them to pass something along those lines?
They could have easily passed a lot of very helpful provisions and had a big bipartisan support for it a long time ago due to the American people being in agreement that healthcare costs were way too high and insurance companies far to exploitive of the captive consumers.
So what stopped them from passing it right away?
The evil republicans couldn't stop them and the wonderful democrats had all the keys to the control room so you explain it please.
My answer is because they tried to use the opportunity of having the combination of complete control of both the executive, and legislative, branches of government AND the momentum of vast public support for health care cost reform and use that as a Trojan horse to introduce into law a bunch of liberal-as-hell legislation that buys them votes, power and intrusive control well beyond the mandate of the constitution. It was so blatant and awful that america recoiled in fear and disgust including many members of the democrat party!
Of course you'll reject my answer as right wing lies so please explain the truth of the matter according to Bee for all to see....
And throw in an explanation of why so much of this bill doesn't go into effect for at least four years.
sorry you've lost me. what?Bet51987 wrote:@Spidey. At one time you seemed like a good guy...
I feel that its not a matter of disagreement, but disagreeableness. The country is becoming more and more politically polarized, and we are seeing that reflected here. BOTH sides seem highly likely to turn to personal insults instead of addressing the issues at hand.woodchip wrote:It would seem not agreeing with her makes you a bad guy.
You might have a point except I don't see anyone else categorizing posters into "good guys/bad guys". At some point we have all disagree'd with a board member yet I don't see the vitriol that occurs when someone starts disagreeing with Bee.Kilarin wrote:I feel that its not a matter of disagreement, but disagreeableness. The country is becoming more and more politically polarized, and we are seeing that reflected here. BOTH sides seem highly likely to turn to personal insults instead of addressing the issues at hand.woodchip wrote:It would seem not agreeing with her makes you a bad guy.
We all need to realize that people can disagree with us and still be ok people.
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Really? The conservatives here (myself included) frequently portray Obama, the liberal press, and congress, as evil idiots destroying the very structure of our country. We've even had comments recently discussing whether we need a violent overthrow. And if you are talking about dividing the forum members into good guys/bad guys I've seen plenty of negative personal comments aimed at the more liberal forum members.woodchip wrote:You might have a point except I don't see anyone else categorizing posters into "good guys/bad guys".
I'm not denying it happens on both sides. But lets take this thread as an example. Bettina has certainly expressed her dissatisfaction with the Republican party, and how happy she is with Obama.woodchip wrote:At some point we have all disagree'd with a board member yet I don't see the vitriol that occurs when someone starts disagreeing with Bee.
This thread was destined to never have a profitable discussion.Kilarin wrote: But lets take this thread as an example............ And we are right on track to escalate from there into a flame war instead of a profitable discussion.
there is NO discussion there. there is NO INTENT on discussion there. her SOLE intent was to rag on the RNC and all the RNC supporters on this board. it was to attempt to rub their faces into the fact the Obama is doing things. this thread was a flame thread and she is reaping what she is sowing. flame onObama, thankfully, gave up the thought of working with the "Party of No" and got health reform passed. Then bypassed another Republican 200 day obstruction and seated 15 nominees. Then, on to Afghanistan to boost the morale of our troops, and next week works on new regulations for Wall Street. After that, it's education overhaul, getting our troops out of Iraq, and continuing to move away from the stone age.
It's become clearer each day that the "Make Obama Fail" mantra which is basically blocking any and all Democratic efforts to actually move this country forward... isn't working that well. Which reminds me of Sarah Palin's "How's that hope n change workin for ya" line. Now the Democrats can proudly tell her... "It's working fine. How's that new job as Alaska's tour guide working for ya".
Cuda wrote:there is NO discussion there. there is NO INTENT on discussion there. her SOLE intent was to rag on the RNC and all the RNC supporters on this board. it was to attempt to rub their faces into the fact the Obama is doing things. this thread was a flame thread and she is reaping what she is sowing. flame on
I'm not seeing the difference, except that she said good things about Obama and I said bad things. She said bad things about the Republican party, I said bad things about both parties. Well, mainly aimed at the presidents, but I have plenty of bad things to say about the Democratic party itself if we need them to make the point.Cuda wrote:it's not "WHAT" the persons says it's "HOW" they say it thats dictates the tone of any discussion.
Kilarin wrote:I'm not seeing the difference,Cuda wrote:it's not "WHAT" the persons says it's "HOW" they say it thats dictates the tone of any discussion.
there is your difference. she does not disagree with people, but is disagreeable with themKilarin wrote:I feel that its not a matter of disagreement, but disagreeableness.
Why is it being disagreeable when she calls the RNC the "Party of No". But it's not being disagreeable when I say "Obama isn't about 'change', He's just more of the same. Another politician messing things up."Cuda wrote:she does not disagree with people, but is disagreeable with them
In my mind certainly it would be. The republicans are big spenders just like the democrats so it wouldn't be fair to single out democrats as the party of big spending.Kilarin wrote:Why is it being disagreeable when she calls the RNC the "Party of No". But it's not being disagreeable when I say "Obama isn't about 'change', He's just more of the same. Another politician messing things up."Cuda wrote:she does not disagree with people, but is disagreeable with them
If I had said that the democrats were the "Party of Spend" would that have been any different?
She is just young, she has read all she is going to read, and her principles are liberal. They wear it like a badge of honer and she is caught up in it. If you are not a liberal then you are either wrong, an enemy to the country or just plain retarded.Bet51987 wrote:People can disagree with me all they want as long as it's done out in the open where I have a chance to defend myself if needed. With the exception of a few, most people here are ok people in my book.Kilarin wrote:I feel that its not a matter of disagreement, but disagreeableness. The country is becoming more and more politically polarized, and we are seeing that reflected here. BOTH sides seem highly likely to turn to personal insults instead of addressing the issues at hand.woodchip wrote:It would seem not agreeing with her makes you a bad guy.
We all need to realize that people can disagree with us and still be ok people.
I don't like dragging Lothar into this but he's a guy whose rightfully called me to task more than once but he's still a very OK guy with me.
Bee
I'll admit that I've been a Jerk to her, as much as she has been to me.Spidey wrote:then tell me how “Jerk” applies to the members here.
What goes around comes around…
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Oh, I absolutely agree. But I don't think saying something wrong is a deliberate attempt to start a personal flame war. Politically wrong is not the same as personal attacks.Will Robinson wrote:The republicans are big spenders just like the democrats so it wouldn't be fair to single out democrats as the party of big spending.
I'm just not certain how useful it is. Tell her why you think she's wrong, and the conversation MIGHT progress. Tell her she's smug and it doesn't go anywhere.Spidey wrote:somebody makes a smug comment, and somebody points that out that's a bad thing?
Spidey wrote:She just got finished calling people here "DBB Jerks" (in another thread) and now she expects civility.
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What goes around comes around...
Like I said, I'm not trying to point fingers. I think everyone has been doing this, all sides. My point is that if we don't STOP it, then it will just keep coming around and around and around.CUDA wrote:I'll admit that I've been a Jerk to her, as much as she has been to me.
Spidey, Agreed what goes around come around.
If the "Party of No" really said NO more often, I might start supporting them. No to more taxes. No to more government interference and power. No to more bailouts. etc. They aren't "NO" enough for my taste. More the "Party of No to Obama and Yes to everything else"Bettina wrote:"Party of No"
Valid point in my opinion.Bettina wrote:I find it funny when some here call Obama the "Messiah or Hussein" etc, and even have unflattering avatars of Obama but get all bent out of shape when I call republicans the party of no.
We still have a few liberals. And several of us are either outright Libertarian or lean that way.Bettina wrote: Surely, a republican forum.
VERY boring.IveGotSarahPalinPinups wrote:I agree to the power of 10!SuperConservativeDude wrote:+3 and X2!!!LimbaughIsMyIdol wrote:Amen! +2!BushLover wrote:+1RepublicanAtHeart wrote:I hate Obama!
Bee, I appreciate you responding directly to my comments. Thank you.Bet51987 wrote:TechPro. I understand what you're saying but this is predominately a Democrat bashing site and I'm just giving alternate views. I'm not that blind that I don't see corruption in both parties but I also see which side is trying to help people.TechPro wrote:... I said stuff ...
Bee
Actually, I think the country is safest when neither party in congress can get anything done.tunnelcat wrote:I guess all the right-wingers here will be very happy with the gridlock.
Lets clear this up. First off I posted verbatim what you said and then added my commentary. While some jumped others agreed. You were always able to join the board and defend yourself so don't use this as a excuse. Lastly I PM'd you after you PM'd me so lets not act like I went after you via PM. Anyone and everyone here is free to go to the other board and judge for themselves.Bet51987 wrote:Yes you were. But then you twisted something I said at .net by pulling it out of context, turning it into a lie, and posting it at .com where I wasn't a member and unable to defend what I said. Even when others jumped on you for that you made matters worse by sending me a PM defending the lie.woodchip wrote:Roid, at one time I too was one of the good guys.
That's why I will continue to ignore you.