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Threadlike features in 3-D

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:18 am
by Sudanamaru
For right eye:
http://orchestra.webhostme.com/images/2 ... -crack.png

For left eye:
http://orchestra.webhostme.com/images/2 ... -crack.png

You can see 3-D by putting images side by side and locking each eye to one picture (eye croosing, I do)

Yellow area are made for better resolve dark tones.

These images are 2x enlarged frames chosen from page
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/ ... _m043.html

Note that these features does bridging over crack on the soil caused by instrument pressure. This imply these threads have mechanical strength and have elasticity

Another important behavior is pointed by the lower arrow: Threadlike feature ends by wrapping around another filament like an ivy does.

Dark colored features are similar to ones I had mentioned in "Mars needs deworming" thread.

Mobius, please wait for a while before jump in conclusion on me :)

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:00 am
by STRESSTEST
Your crazy... :roll:

Re: Threadlike features in 3-D

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:17 am
by Testiculese
Sudanamaru wrote:Another important behavior is pointed by the lower arrow: Threadlike feature ends by wrapping around another filament like an ivy does.
I think you're looking way too hard. The bottom arrow looks to be an inch lower than the end of whatever that is supposed to be. Both ends just fade out.

Note that I see an impression of:
three other 'threads'
a bird face
Jesus
King Solomon's castle

:) ok, ok, the last two I'm making up.

btw, what dimensions is this picture? 1x1 meters? 100x100 millimeters?

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:41 am
by Sudanamaru
I intentionally placed the arrow a bit lower for not to interfere with the subject.

"btw, what dimensions is this picture? 1x1 meters? 100x100 millimeters?"

15 micron per pixel. That makes 7x6 mm overall.

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:35 am
by Topher
...and why can't they just be cracks in the soil?

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:04 pm
by Sudanamaru
Topher wrote:
"...and why can't they just be cracks in the soil?"

See them in 3-D image. Everything look different.

You can simply open each picture in two separate small browser windows, side by side, and cross your eyes. If the 3D picture looks confusing, swap windows.

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:13 pm
by Topher
I did. Now explain why they can't be cracks. You need to prove that their convex and not concave as it looks to me.

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:25 pm
by Sudanamaru
Because these lines traverse cracks on soil as a bridge. If they were simply traces or cracks, they will be discontinuous, bridging part could not exist.

I specially lightened these bridging sections in order the continuity over the soil crack be visible.

Note also small beads on the light colored threadlike feature. Aligned beads can be hardly explained otherwise. You can see the beads bridging the crack.

MARS rovers orginally transmit pictures in a custom compressed format named ICER. Then convert them to jpg for public release and image become severly degraded. Images in lossless TIFF format not available for public. If one of you have some contact with NASA, may ask some tiff/gif/png (lossless format) images for these subjects.

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:27 pm
by Mr. Perfect
And this rules out the threads from the airbag why?

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:29 pm
by Mobius
OK I waited.

Get off the crack man - it's doing your brain in!

Seriously man, you are seeing things that just aren;t there. That's nice if you're on LSD, but not if you want to do any serious scientific analysis.

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:04 pm
by Sudanamaru
"Seriously man, you are seeing things that just aren;t there."

Mobius, it may be time for you change your monitor. :) I noticed daytime ambient light significantly reduce visibility of details on a monitor. May you look these image at night time.

Mr.Perfect said: "And this rules out the threads from the airbag why?"

This is not an argument in this thread. But I think it rules out. These items not look like to one argued as airbag thread. Another guy spoted such a thing and asked there: http://groups.google.com/groups?threadm ... nospam.com

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:50 am
by Sudanamaru
Mobius and all interested on this thread, see http://www.marslife.com/, article dated 4/23/4.
4/23/4 Thread-like Feature on Mars: Mystery Solved
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/opportunity/
opp_200403a_Thread_on_Mars.html
The fault in their logic is that the filaments do appear in numerous photographs from both rovers. See Compare Glassies for a few of the pictures. What I wonder is why NASA didn't come and look at the filaments in the Frass Meteorite. If there are two models to explain the filaments, shouldn't they examine both? Is it good science for scientists to make up their minds before their experiments are even conducted. It looks to me like this is just another cover-up of the truth by the good folks at NASA. Also, Noel mentions in the next article, that the filament travels under one of the rocks. If you look through the photographs, you will see them in all situations. I'll try to take some new pictures of my glassies sitting on Martian sand in the next few days and post them on this site.

Nasa statement appears a cover-up, because in their earlier statements They mention it as "features", not a "feature".
See http://cshink.com/thread_like_features.htm.
The miniscule objects seen in the Microscopic Imager (MI) pictures could be threads of airbag fabric tossed into the landing zone, Squyres said. "Iâ??ll be honest with you. We donâ??t know what these things are. We have seen themâ?¦just a very limited number of them and weâ??re puzzling it out."


Note that the plural form when mentioning these feature(s).

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:36 am
by Sage
Why would NASA cover this up? So there some fking strings on Mars... I don't get it... :arrow:

Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:20 pm
by Sudanamaru
"Why would NASA cover this up? So there some fking strings on Mars... I don't get it..."

Some arguments:
- This mission is not about looking for current life form, but merely a geological research. they dont want to extend their programs for that.

- They dont want to be exposed to questions they dont have answers and dont have a program to find answers.

- Mainly a geological team drive this mission and they are just not interested on what ever is on the rocks but compositions of rocks.

- It could be possible that NASA will investigate organic looking features, but after rovers dies. So it will be good reason for a new mission to Mars. It is also true that these rovers are not equipped with instruments to investigate them further, so more questions
will arise than ones can be answered.

All these arguments I given I think are fair, not conspiracy or suing NASA.