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BOISE, Idaho (AP) A county commissioner in Idaho has billed the Mexican government more than $2 million for services provided to illegal immigrants.
Robert Vasquez mailed the bill to the closest Mexican consulate, in Salt Lake City. He claims Canyon County is owed more than $1.4 million for the costs of jailing illegal immigrants over past two years, and more than $575,000 for providing medical care during that time.
http://wfrv.com/nationalwire/Commission ... _news_html
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Isn't it an American fallacy to not be able to enforce our laws saying that these immigrants shouldn't be hired? Or enforce our borders so that they do not even get in?Why shouldn't Mexico pay up for its fallacies as a country?
If Americans didn't hire them, they wouldn't come. Why not bill those Americans that create the temptation? Why not attack the source instead of scapegoating those who were lead to the troft and drank?
They don't "suck our resources," they actually aid our economy by performing jobs that most Americans wouldn't do.
It's partially our fault for having companies that hire these people. We shouldn't encourage that.
At the same time, illegals are a burden on our system. I don't mean to sound racist, but in my neck of the woods, it seems the majority of crimes are committed by these illegal aliens these days, thinking we run America like they run old Mexico.
Now, granted, there are thousands of legitimate Mexicans here who are extremely hard workers. They wholeheartedly deserve the fruits of their labor. They also had to sit and endure all of the paperwork and customs needed to legally get here.
Point is, if you have a reason to come here, do it the legal way you are supposed to. Sneaking across the border and dodging the paperwork like criminals, what am I supposed to assume?
At the same time, illegals are a burden on our system. I don't mean to sound racist, but in my neck of the woods, it seems the majority of crimes are committed by these illegal aliens these days, thinking we run America like they run old Mexico.
Now, granted, there are thousands of legitimate Mexicans here who are extremely hard workers. They wholeheartedly deserve the fruits of their labor. They also had to sit and endure all of the paperwork and customs needed to legally get here.
Point is, if you have a reason to come here, do it the legal way you are supposed to. Sneaking across the border and dodging the paperwork like criminals, what am I supposed to assume?
I don't think saying they are more active in crime is racist. So long as you don't think that they are just more prone to crime.
They are just tired of only receiving the crumbs that America throws at them from our rich table. They were brought here, and then probably laid off once their services were no longer needed. Despite what T.V. leads us to believe, most are brought here, they do not walk, walking can be fatal across the desert. It costs $600 to hire a mediocre Coyote (someone who makes a living smuggling people across the boarder), it surely isn't the immigrant that foots this bill.
It is always the wealthy American that makes the claim that they should be happy with what they get. (I don't want to argue if we are morally bound to make that claim, that is a different thread). The bottom line is they are the ones that have to live with the, "it sucks to be you." idea. Most want more, they see we have a lot, so they just take more.
None of us are able to say that we would do otherwise if it were our family that we wanted to provide a better life for.
Doing it legal requires the ability to read, most were not given the right to education that we were. Citizen ship requires quite a lot of work. And even still, you may still just not get that Visa.
Well, if someone ever stamped me with a â??sucks to be you,â?
They are just tired of only receiving the crumbs that America throws at them from our rich table. They were brought here, and then probably laid off once their services were no longer needed. Despite what T.V. leads us to believe, most are brought here, they do not walk, walking can be fatal across the desert. It costs $600 to hire a mediocre Coyote (someone who makes a living smuggling people across the boarder), it surely isn't the immigrant that foots this bill.
It is always the wealthy American that makes the claim that they should be happy with what they get. (I don't want to argue if we are morally bound to make that claim, that is a different thread). The bottom line is they are the ones that have to live with the, "it sucks to be you." idea. Most want more, they see we have a lot, so they just take more.
None of us are able to say that we would do otherwise if it were our family that we wanted to provide a better life for.
Doing it legal requires the ability to read, most were not given the right to education that we were. Citizen ship requires quite a lot of work. And even still, you may still just not get that Visa.
Well, if someone ever stamped me with a â??sucks to be you,â?
"They are just tired of only receiving the crumbs that America throws at them from our rich table."
-Wrong. They shouldn't even be receiving crumbs because they are not citizens of this country.
"They were brought here, and then probably laid off once their services were no longer needed."
-Wrong. They were not *brought here* by anyone. They snuck into this country on their own volition.
"Despite what T.V. leads us to believe, most are brought here, they do not walk, walking can be fatal across the desert."
-Brought here by whom? Americans? Nope, fellow Mexicans. What basis in fact do you have for such a ludicrous claim that some shadowy group of Americans in importing illegal aliens?
"It costs $600 to hire a mediocre Coyote (someone who makes a living smuggling people across the boarder), it surely isn't the immigrant that foots this bill."
-I repeat, who is paying it then? The Mexican government perhaps?
"It is always the wealthy American that makes the claim that they should be happy with what they get."
-Wrong. It is all Americans who believe non-Americans have no legitimate claim to share in an American economy, often only to send the wages out of the country.
"(I don't want to argue if we are morally bound to make that claim, that is a different thread). The bottom line is they are the ones that have to live with the, "it sucks to be you." idea. Most want more, they see we have a lot, so they just take more.
None of us are able to say that we would do otherwise if it were our family that we wanted to provide a better life for."
-Wrong. All of us are able to say we would either attempt to leave our home country, gain citizenship in America or hold our own government responsible for the rampant corruption that keeps the Mexican economy in the crapper.
"Doing it legal requires the ability to read, most were not given the right to education that we were. Citizen ship requires quite a lot of work. And even still, you may still just not get that Visa."
-Aww. It's an unreasonable burden on the poor immigrants to require that they learn the language of their host country. Yea, let's do away with that. Ever heard of the Tower of Babel?
"Well, if someone ever stamped me with a â??sucks to be you,â?
-Wrong. They shouldn't even be receiving crumbs because they are not citizens of this country.
"They were brought here, and then probably laid off once their services were no longer needed."
-Wrong. They were not *brought here* by anyone. They snuck into this country on their own volition.
"Despite what T.V. leads us to believe, most are brought here, they do not walk, walking can be fatal across the desert."
-Brought here by whom? Americans? Nope, fellow Mexicans. What basis in fact do you have for such a ludicrous claim that some shadowy group of Americans in importing illegal aliens?
"It costs $600 to hire a mediocre Coyote (someone who makes a living smuggling people across the boarder), it surely isn't the immigrant that foots this bill."
-I repeat, who is paying it then? The Mexican government perhaps?
"It is always the wealthy American that makes the claim that they should be happy with what they get."
-Wrong. It is all Americans who believe non-Americans have no legitimate claim to share in an American economy, often only to send the wages out of the country.
"(I don't want to argue if we are morally bound to make that claim, that is a different thread). The bottom line is they are the ones that have to live with the, "it sucks to be you." idea. Most want more, they see we have a lot, so they just take more.
None of us are able to say that we would do otherwise if it were our family that we wanted to provide a better life for."
-Wrong. All of us are able to say we would either attempt to leave our home country, gain citizenship in America or hold our own government responsible for the rampant corruption that keeps the Mexican economy in the crapper.
"Doing it legal requires the ability to read, most were not given the right to education that we were. Citizen ship requires quite a lot of work. And even still, you may still just not get that Visa."
-Aww. It's an unreasonable burden on the poor immigrants to require that they learn the language of their host country. Yea, let's do away with that. Ever heard of the Tower of Babel?
"Well, if someone ever stamped me with a â??sucks to be you,â?
They were not *brought here* by anyone. -Bash
Brought here by whom? Americans? Nope, fellow Mexicans.-Bash
Please clarify, I am not sure which one I am suppose to respond to.
I am arguing the other side Bash. We came to this land and took what we wanted. They want to come to this land and take what they want. Which way do you want it? Are they wrong to do so? Perhaps, but it does put us in a precarious situation to judge them for it.-Wrong. They shouldn't even be receiving crumbs because they are not citizens of this country.
Since I know I wont be able to prove any conversations I have had with others to your satisfaction, I will avoid them.What basis in fact do you have for such a ludicrous claim that some shadowy group of Americans in importing illegal aliens?
To try and anwser your question without doing so; Whoever is hiring them. Whoever wants the cheap labor. Do you actually contend that Mexicans bring them to America so that Mexicans can hire them within America? Sorry, it is the Americans who hire them, so it is the Americans who are the "shadowy group". They are the ones who want them, so they are why they are here. I also believe that they finance going to Mexico and bringing them over. But I am just going to have to accept that you will disagree with me on that last point.
Of course not. Thats not what I said, I was just saying why they don't really care about our boarder laws. We do still enforce them.Oh, and another thing we can exempt immigrants from is obeying the laws of this country as well because it's, well, another unreasonable burden to expect them to play by the same rules the rest of us are bound to.
You make life so easy for those who have such a harder life then you do.Wrong. All of us are able to say we would either attempt to leave our home country, gain citizenship in America or hold our own government responsible for the rampant corruption that keeps the Mexican economy in the crapper.
Goob, having a good heart or good intentions doesn't exempt you from having to make good arguments. Your opinion completely breaks down when examined closely. Sadly, you don't care and will retain it anyway. To you, it seems, one can be completely ignorant to the facts because fallacy deserves equal consideration if spoken with equal conviction.
Why would you describe your position as liberal or that guilt should factor in at all? If you're saying *naive* is a liberal trait, then OK, I guess it is. Goob, you epitomize the phrase *the soft bigotry of low expectations* and you don't even realize that that makes much more of a bigot than the windmills you tilt at. But, frankly, I don't hold out much hope you understand that either.
As far as I can tell, we need the mexicans for cheap labor. The costs they incur on us are much less than the labor money we're saving, otherwise capitalism would likely take into effect, and congress/the president would be reforming immigration. As it stands, I believe illegal immigrants aren't that much of a detriment to us. However, if someone has an alternate perspective, I'd be interested in reading it.
The immigrants come here for a better life. They are not forced.
The immigrants come here for a better life. They are not forced.
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Brian, I believe that the amount of economic strain illegals put on us varies by region. IIRC, the central valley bears most of the burdon in California and a little over 40% of a program funds are being used by illegals. I agree with you on the cost of labor. The problem is that even though the cost of labor is cheap and *many* farmers use illegals, the price of goods doesn't reflect that.
People down here make fun of the illegals, let me tell you guys, those are some of the hardest working people I've ever seen, I respect them. American are too lazy to spend 15 hour days in 105 degree weather picking fruits, wrapping vines and pruning. My only real problem is that the money they make(regardless of how little) is not inserted back into our economy. 90% if it is send back to Mexico.
People down here make fun of the illegals, let me tell you guys, those are some of the hardest working people I've ever seen, I respect them. American are too lazy to spend 15 hour days in 105 degree weather picking fruits, wrapping vines and pruning. My only real problem is that the money they make(regardless of how little) is not inserted back into our economy. 90% if it is send back to Mexico.