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Extensive research into the causes of suicide terrorism suggests Islam isn't to blame -- the root of the problem is foreign military occupations.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... ion_stupid

article wrote:In the decade since 9/11, the United States has conquered and occupied two large Muslim countries (Afghanistan and Iraq), compelled a huge Muslim army to root out a terrorist sanctuary (Pakistan), deployed thousands of Special Forces troops to numerous Muslim countries (Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, etc.), imprisoned hundreds of Muslims without recourse, and waged a massive war of ideas involving Muslim clerics to denounce violence and new institutions to bring Western norms to Muslim countries. Yet Americans still seem strangely mystified as to why some Muslims might be angry about this situation.

In a narrow sense, America is safer today than on 9/11. There has not been another attack on the same scale. U.S. defenses regarding immigration controls, airport security, and the disruption of potentially devastating domestic plots have all improved.

But in a broader sense, America has become perilously unsafe. Each month, there are more suicide terrorists trying to kill Americans and their allies in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other Muslim countries than in all the years before 2001 combined. From 1980 to 2003, there were 343 suicide attacks around the world, and at most 10 percent were anti-American inspired. Since 2004, there have been more than 2,000, over 91 percent against U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan, Iraq, and other countries.

So 'before 9-11 we were less safe'...yea I believe that is true...the 9-11 attacks came right at the end of the period known as 'before 9-11' so certainly it could mark the culmination of the threat if after that the threat diminished which leads to the next point:

'Since 9-11 we sent armies after them and we are safer at home than before we did that'. Also true.

'After the war on terror was launched we took many more hits over there'...also true.
Reminds me of Bush saying something about 'fighting them over there instead of over here'.

So was that piece really written by Cheney and Rumsfeld? Why are you guys so pro-Bush all of a sudden?

See how fun it can be cherry picking and interpreting statistics to support the position you want to advance?

The point is, the extremism is actually being fueled and made -worse- by the occupations that we've done in the past and are doing now. We made a knee jerk reaction that is only going to make things worse in the foreseeable future.

So, in actuality we're not supporting Bush's Daddy issues and Cheney's lust for power but nice try.

So what you are saying is, after we beat back the Germans and occupied Germany. After we defeated the Japanese and occupied Japan. After we held back the commies out of S. Korea and we still occupy it. That doing that has caused Islam to rise up against the west?

My BS meter only goes to 10, not 11!

.....I'm pretty sure Muslims don't really care about us occupying non-Muslim territory. It's our bases in Saudie Arabia, our obnoxious obedience/allegiance with Israel and our interference with other Islamic states (like Iran, who we can now thank ourselves for having to deal with).

You must have been smelling your own B.S., sorry!

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The middle east is just a hotbed of issues. I almost wish I was void of morals enough to call for some kind of permanent solution to the whole damned thing, like nuking the whole region so it turns to glass.

I guess we just need to wait a few hundred years until Islam matures as a religion and starts to behave like everyone else.

It's easy to identify places and times we have aggravated the Islamofacsists but it isn't really a very solid conclusion that those actions are the reason they are attacking us.
They have been at war with the infidel for a little bit longer than America has been pissing them off, try the year 624.

I guess if null believes the premise he posted, he probably also believes in the tooth fairy.

I think one of my teeth is missing.

Extensive research into the causes of suicide terrorism suggests Islam isn't to blame -- the root of the problem is foreign military occupations.

yeah, right. :P

Bet51987 wrote:
So you feel we should no longer be an ally to Israel?

here's a question for you: why should the US support a now known nuclear state that's been provoking the neighbouring countries into small wars by invading them?

Null, Maybe you need to read up on the \"Islamic Golden Age\" Which happen a long time before America. Long before 911 Islamic jihadists were fighting outside Rome in 1090 where Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos asked for help to repel the invading jihadists which resulted in the first crusade in 1096 to retake Jerusalem. Most of Islam history is of invasions of one type or another and when it happens the ones who fight back end up and the short end of the stick.

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Hmmmmm. Is Ferno talking about the U.S. or Iran?

Don't worry guys, we'll all be Muslims in the near future. Then all the fighting will stop.

Nope. Either everyone will have to be an Evangelical Christian to live in the U.S., or DEAD.

TC, if you sincerely believe that, you're on drugs.

tunnelcat wrote:Nope. Either everyone will have to be an Evangelical Christian to live in the U.S., or DEAD.

Funny how the Islamo-fascists actually do kill non believers for being non believers where Christians do not kill non believers yet you disagree that the ones known for the practice would carry it out and instead assign that act to those that do not.

It just illustrates how far you will go, instinctively altering reality, all to make everything fit inside the liberal template.

dp

tunnelcat wrote:everyone will have to be an Evangelical Christian to live in the U.S.

Well one can always Hope

ThunderBunny wrote:TC, if you sincerely believe that, you're on drugs.

That's why I got the hell out of Colorado Springs, Colorado. It's been taken over by Evangelical Church groups.

Now the town is BROKE. Nice place to live now.

They've even taken over the Air Force Academy, turning out scads of new Christian flying warriors to fight your Christian Holy Wars.

Sometimes being shunned or excommunicated is worse than death.

TC are you saying there is a link between Christianity and the financial collapse across the entire nation?

Heretic wrote:TC are you saying there is a link between Christianity and the financial collapse across the entire nation?

No. I only noted the "coincidence" between the now dominant "conservative" population of the city of Colorado Springs, including the large number of Evangelical Churches located there and the substantial loss of funding for city services due to the recent anti-tax trends. You do the math. Years ago, The Springs was pretty much liberal-leaning. There was no urban sprawl, no Walmart, no Mega Churches, no military. There were large, sprawling cattle ranches with lots of open spaces, clean air, a small town feel and spectacular scenery. Now.........

When I moved from the Springs, there was still funding for all city services. Obviously, that has changed. The reason I didn't like the population trend towards Evangelicals was their political influence and meddling on social issues and the explosive population growth that these churches generated. I've noticed that most Christians support less intrusive government, EXCEPT when it comes to certain social issues, then state intrusion into people's lives is A OK with them. I just didn't want to be around all that.

I also heard a lot of rumors about the Air Force Academy back in the 1990's, that the internal culture had become so hostile to non-Christian Cadets that anyone not espousing Christian beliefs were NOT welcome and were relentlessly hazed or bullied at any opportunity in a concerted effort to get them to drop out. Turns out it was true. There was even hostility towards female Cadets. Rape was one of those "wink, wink" things that the top brass covered up regularly. And it's still going on too. Nice. And these guys represent our fighting military and have the audacity to call themselves 'Christian' warriors.

Not sure it's audacity, they just take a look back at history and it's obvious they fit right in.

TC, have you ever examined the quality of life and economic impact of liberals taking over a place? Or is that not conducive to maintaining your perception of reality?

I'd like to see some socialism in Appalachia, that's for damn sure.

Eighty years of Democrats controlling Chicago hasn't done the city any favors.

Endless control by Democrats here in Philadelphia, hasn’t worked any magic either.

Mayor Nutter seems like he's doing a decent job overall from where I'm sitting. Certainly far better than that joke Street.

Bet51987 wrote:

Ferno wrote:...that's been provoking the neighbouring countries into small wars by invading them?

You need to clarify this before I spank you in front of all these people.

Bee

It is quite clear. now answer the question already and stop screwing around.

btw, use the entire question instead of cherry picking.

And if you think you can 'spank me', go ahead and try.

Hmmmmm. Is Ferno talking about the U.S. or Iran?

LOL. what do you think, tunnelcat?

Detroit has been Dem controlled for decades. Went from a place where people went for jobs to a place where vast areas look like the a 3rd world country and officials are now talking about turning sections into farmland to help feed the people. Yeah Baby! Lets hate evil corporations!

So the local politicians of Detroit are suddenly directly responsible for businesses staying or going? Maybe if it was a planned economy, you'd be right. Everyone knows why Detroit is a hellhole now, and it sure isn't because of the Democrats.

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Bet51987 wrote:When someone asks for clarification you give them clarification. If you refuse then have a nice day.

This is absolutely the most ridiculous example of evading an answer I have seen yet on this board (renowned as it is for question-dodging). That, or you have a very short term and/or selective memory.

Israel invades Lebanon, 1982

Israel invades Lebanon, 2006

Israel invades Gaza, 2009

10 bucks on "I need to hear that from Ferno."

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Bet51987 wrote:When someone asks for clarification you give them clarification. If you refuse then have a nice day.

Bee

I don't dumb down my questions. even for you.

Bet51987 wrote:

null0010 wrote:This is absolutely the most ridiculous example of evading an answer I have seen yet on this board (renowned as it is for question-dodging).

I think you're in for a big surprise...

No, your behavior does not surprise me anymore; I am sad to be associated with you because we both lean left.