On the use of the word \"sheeple\"

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:31 am

Just stop. Please, I beg you.

Mjolnir · Post by **Mjolnir** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:39 am

what?

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:46 am

Mjolnir wrote:

what?

he said please stop posting things like this

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:18 am

It's not funny or creative in any way, it does not add to your point, it's a tired old metaphor, it makes you look like the very thing you are deriding for mindlessly stealing a word from that no-talent hack Ayn Rand without (probably) ever reading a thing she wrote.

Mjolnir · Post by **Mjolnir** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:19 pm

I can't help myself!!!

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:42 pm

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:05 pm

I will do what Simon says…

Just like a good Sheep Person.

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:09 pm

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:12 pm

Way to prove my point, y'all.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:31 pm

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:35 pm

OP is classic troll

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:02 pm

What gets me is his attempt to attribute the term to a person who was dead for 2 years before the word was ever used in printed.

Ayn Rand (1905–1982)

The term sheeple, which first appeared in the Wall Street Journal in 1984

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/buzz ... eeple.html

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:10 pm

Heretic wrote:What gets me is his attempt to attribute the term to a person who was dead for 2 years

Null?!!??!?!?! How did he recover!?!?????

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:06 pm

Heretic wrote:What gets me is his attempt to attribute the term to a person who was dead for 2 years before the word was ever used in printed.

Ayn Rand (1905–1982)

The term sheeple, which first appeared in the Wall Street Journal in 1984

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/buzz ... eeple.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheeple#Usage wrote:There is documented print usage of this word as early as 1950, in the form, "We, the Sheeple", in the Emory University Quarterly, v.6-7 1950-1951, page 64.

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:32 am

Does not prove Ayn Rand penned the term originally.

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:38 pm

Heretic wrote:Does not prove Ayn Rand penned the term originally.

I looked that up, and I don't know why I connected the word with Ayn Rand, but it is what it is. Regardless, using a word like sheeple, made popular by the media and politicians, to deride the actions and beliefs made popular by the media and politicians is very silly. I am reminded of an analogy about cookware.

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:32 pm

Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:11 pm

Heretic wrote:Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.

So do Stephanie Meyer and Christopher Paolini, does that make them good authors too?

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:22 pm

null0010 wrote:Regardless, using a word like sheeple, made popular by the media and politicians, to deride the actions and beliefs made popular by the media and politicians is very silly. I am reminded of an analogy about cookware.

Why is it silly when it fits? The masses behave like sheep, yet they are people. Hence, Sheeple.

Mjolnir · Post by **Mjolnir** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:14 am

null0010 wrote:
Heretic wrote:Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.
So do Stephanie Meyer and Christopher Paolini, does that make them good authors too?

Check and mate, IMO.

roid · Post by **roid** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:47 am

IIRC \"Sheeple\" is a pop-culture warning against falling victim to this falacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
With aspects of warnings against \"Ignorance is Bliss\" also.

Sometimes it's used relevantly...
Sometimes not...
More to do with the idiocy of the poster than anything else really. Whatcha gonna do *shrug*

just ignore the poster

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:13 am

Mjolnir wrote:
null0010 wrote:
Heretic wrote:Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.
So do Stephanie Meyer and Christopher Paolini, does that make them good authors too?
Check and mate, IMO.

Not much of a opinion. Seeing how they are still better the the no talent hack he is.

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:41 pm

Heretic wrote:
Mjolnir wrote:
null0010 wrote:
Heretic wrote:Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.
So do Stephanie Meyer and Christopher Paolini, does that make them good authors too?
Check and mate, IMO.
Not much of a opinion. Seeing how they are still better the the no talent hack he is.

You're trying so hard to poke holes in my argument; you must know I'm right, but want desperately for the opposite to be true.

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:07 am

null0010 wrote:
Heretic wrote:
Mjolnir wrote:
null0010 wrote:
Heretic wrote:Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.
So do Stephanie Meyer and Christopher Paolini, does that make them good authors too?
Check and mate, IMO.
Not much of a opinion. Seeing how they are still better the the no talent hack he is.
You're trying so hard to poke holes in my argument; you must know I'm right, but want desperately for the opposite to be true.

I thought your argument here was "Please stop using the term 'sheeple' because I personally hate that word."

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:30 am

Avder wrote:
null0010 wrote:
Heretic wrote:
Mjolnir wrote:
null0010 wrote:
Heretic wrote:Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.
So do Stephanie Meyer and Christopher Paolini, does that make them good authors too?
Check and mate, IMO.
Not much of a opinion. Seeing how they are still better the the no talent hack he is.
You're trying so hard to poke holes in my argument; you must know I'm right, but want desperately for the opposite to be true.
I thought your argument here was "Please stop using the term 'sheeple' because I personally hate that word."

Yes, that was his argument. Now he's mad because he can't prove his statement and he's pulling out the Strawman to win against my point. What a muttonhead

Neo · Post by **Neo** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:18 am

null0010 wrote:Just stop. Please, I beg you.

know deal

Is it me or are those "sheeple" hawt? x.x

Now let's start a thread about the use of the phrase "it is what it is" =P

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:16 pm

Heretic wrote:
Avder wrote:
null0010 wrote:
Heretic wrote:
Mjolnir wrote:
null0010 wrote:
Heretic wrote:Well as a talentless hack she had more best sellers than you did not to mention more screenplays than you too.
So do Stephanie Meyer and Christopher Paolini, does that make them good authors too?
Check and mate, IMO.
Not much of a opinion. Seeing how they are still better the the no talent hack he is.
You're trying so hard to poke holes in my argument; you must know I'm right, but want desperately for the opposite to be true.
I thought your argument here was "Please stop using the term 'sheeple' because I personally hate that word."
Yes, that was his argument. Now he's mad because he can't prove his statement and he's pulling out the Strawman to win against my point. What a muttonhead

It is still my arguement ("Please stop using the word "sheeple" because it is a silly word, here are the reasons..."). You're just mad you can't come up with a counter to my original arguement, so now you're trying to change the subject and claim I'm a "bad author." You had to use a strawman to win against my point. What a muttonhead!

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:29 pm

lol you're funny man.

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:08 pm

Heretic wrote:lol you're funny man.

lol so are you man.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:18 pm

OK, how about \"stuples\" then?

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:55 pm

How about we just avoid poorly constructed portmanteau neologisms altogether?

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:00 pm

Maybe, but it's just easier to say \"stuples\" instead of \"stupid people\" or \"sheeples\" instead of \"people that act like sheep\".

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:23 pm

That's not easier, it's lazier. Isn't laziness one of the qualities of a person who accepts the word of the media and politicians at face value?

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:30 pm

null0010 wrote:That's not easier, it's lazier.

Like C++ syntax, I believe.

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:37 pm

null0010 wrote:That's not easier, it's lazier.

Oh well, so much for Wikipedia.

(double entendre)

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:20 am

null0010 wrote:That's not easier, it's lazier.

You mean like "lol" "omg" "r u in 2 it" instead of writing the stuff out? Are you not also guilty of using the lazy way out with Internet slang?

Just as netspeak, chatspeak, or Internet slang "people that act like sheep" becomes "Sheeple"

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:08 am

So, we have agreed then, that 'sheeple' is a word used by the lowest common denominator?.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:16 pm

That's the beauty of English, new words are created all through time because of morphing, shortening, inventing and combining. Have any of you tried to read something from just 200 years ago? Quite different from today. Ye Old English is almost impossible to decipher by now. Language evolves and it's usually out of laziness.

The urban dictionary calls the combing of 2 words a 'thunktion' (urban slang) and Wikipedia has the term 'Portmanteau' (more formal).

Thunktion

Portmanteau

Apparently this is all the rage on Facebook, along with the use of letters for words, thanks to texting (again, laziness).

Here's another recent example, thanks to Palin. \"Refudiate\" which combines \"refuse\" and \"repudiate\". What's funny is now I'm hearing TV news personalities actually slip up and use this word in a sentence and not catch their mistake. Palin made a new word!

The English language is so weird! More:

http://grammar.about.com/od/c/g/confusablesterm.htm

Then you're forgetting acronyms like VCR, DVR, CPU and GPU, all thanks to the technology revolution. These are now use as words. Who the hell is going to speak the whole phrase \"video cassette recorder, let alone write it!

null0010 · Post by **null0010** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:24 pm

I am quite aware of how language evolves, but I simply don't like this one. It bothers me because it's not clever or original; it is stale and overused, mostly by the very people who it is intended to describe. Can't we just use a simple metaphor and say \"sheep?\"

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:28 pm

null0010 wrote:I am quite aware of how language evolves, but I simply don't like this one. It bothers me because it's not clever or original; it is stale and overused, mostly by the very people who it is intended to describe. Can't we just use a simple metaphor and say "sheep?"

You're going to just have to suck it up and get used to it then.

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