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Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:11 pm
by Nightshade
In a more sinister turn, "Fast and Furious" may have been created to KILL people...mass MURDER them for political ends.
The most damning revelations coming out of the hearings on Operation Fast and Furious held by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform are the unmistakable indications that the program was never designed to succeed as a law enforcement operation at all.
This is far beyond simple incompetence or negligence. Were this done anywhere else, these actions could be considered war crimes against humanity.
ATF Agent John Dodson, testifying in front of the committee, said that in his entire law enforcement career, he had “never been involved in or even heard of an operation in which law enforcement officers let guns walk.” He continued: “I cannot begin to think of how the risk of letting guns fall into the hands of known criminals could possibly advance any legitimate law enforcement interest.”
The obvious answer is that Gunwalker’s objective was never intended to be a “legitimate law enforcement interest.” Instead, it appears that ATF Acting Director Ken Melson and Department of Justice senior executives specifically created an operation that was designed from the outset to arm Mexican narco-terrorists and increase violence substantially along both sides of the Southwest border.
Will those responsible ever be held accountable and charged appropriately for the death and terror they caused? Unlikely.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/mega-scand ... n-control/
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:12 pm
by null0010
Good ol' War on Drugs psychopathy.
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:14 pm
by Nightshade
Given your instant reply, I doubt you even glanced at the article, Null (or care.)
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:32 pm
by Nightshade
bump
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:36 pm
by callmeslick
I'm not sure I understand the point of wanting to increase border violence? What end would that have served? Bear in mind, this is all coming out via selected witnesses and a committee whose Chair is trying to make the administration look bad. I'm starting to suspect there is more to this story that we've thus far seen, and will thus refrain from further comment.
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:30 pm
by flip
The facts are bad enough to assume the motives were too. That's good enough for me.
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:45 pm
by Spidey
And, if you pay taxes…guess what you are indirectly guilty of?
(remember the context please)
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:28 pm
by null0010
Spidey wrote:And, if you pay taxes…guess what you are indirectly guilty of?
(remember the context please)
The Mexican-American War?
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:50 pm
by flip
When I said guilty, I meant those with prior, specific knowledge. I wasn't trying to make a broad statement on culpability. Just that THOSE people are, if they had any idea that arming thugs would eventually end someone's life.
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:26 pm
by null0010
I was referencing Henry David Thoreau's refusal to pay taxes on the grounds that tax dollars financed the war.
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:13 pm
by Ferno
ThunderBunny wrote:Given your instant reply, I doubt you even glanced at the article, Null (or care.)
here's a hint: nobody cares.
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:08 pm
by flip
here's a hint: nobody cares.
bull★■◆●
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:39 pm
by Nightshade
here's a hint: nobody cares.
So if an ATF operation were undertaken allowing smugglers to sell guns to thugs in Canada and a drug gang wiped out your family because of a turf war with another gang both armed with American guns, would we care?
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:17 am
by woodchip
Ferno doesn't care as the drug lords keep his availability to get more pot possible
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:29 am
by Heretic
That's funny you do know what America's and Canada's Number One Cash crop is don't you?
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:27 am
by Spidey
Pot atoes?
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:21 am
by Foil
<Trying not to laugh too loud>
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:16 pm
by callmeslick
null0010 wrote:Spidey wrote:And, if you pay taxes…guess what you are indirectly guilty of?
(remember the context please)
The Mexican-American War?
looking for the rimshot smilie..........
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:17 pm
by Ferno
ThunderBunny wrote:So if an ATF operation were undertaken allowing smugglers to sell guns to thugs in Canada and a drug gang wiped out your family because of a turf war with another gang both armed with American guns, would we care?
hey it's our old pal, appeal to emotion! fun!
you always know how to go to extremes and forget rational thought.
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:46 pm
by TigerRaptor
He was denied Trix cereal growing up as a kid. It made him bitter as an adult.
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:45 pm
by Nightshade
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:07 pm
by woodchip
Wait a minute, I thought it was against federal law to fire someone if they blow the whistle?
Re: Ends justify the means: F&F explained?
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:43 pm
by Nightshade
Gunwalker: What Will Happen When Ken Melson Testifies?
The ATF director is going to talk. Whom will he implicate?
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gunwalker- ... testimony/