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Seems some in positions of power like little boys. Also seems those who knew about it and could of done something, cared more for their program than they did the children involved. Bye bye Joe. What a way to piss down the drain a great record and reputation.

woodchip wrote:Seems some in positions of power like little boys. Also seems those who knew about it and could of done something, cared more for their program than they did the children involved. Bye bye Joe. What a way to piss down the drain a great record and reputation.

foolish choice on Joepa, his record it what it is and cannot be tarnished because of this. however his reputation will be forever stained for not following through and doing the right thing.

Don't really follow college sports. Everyone seems to be talking about Penn State football? What the hell happened?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joe-paternos-f ... d=14925158

The American Church of Football. Kinda has the same problems as the Catholic Church, doesn't it?

I suspect this is going to go WAY past football before it's over. While I have no academic or sports interest in Penn State, I have maintained a fishing camp in Centre County for over 20 years. The locals will gladly tell you that PSU views itself as above the law: the campus cops don't cooperate with the State Police, student crimes in surrounding communities are routinely covered up to keep the University's reputation clean. I note that the national press has just found out that the former DA of Centre County(and, no friend to PSU) has been missing for over 6 years, after hearing at least one report on Sandusky. His car was found about 40 miles east of the county and his laptop, sans hard drive, was nearby in the Susquehanna River. Nothing indicates a desire to either disappear or commit suicide. Stay tuned, folks, this one could get really interesting.

Football is God in most big college campuses. Even here at lowly performing Oregon State, and more so with University of Oregon, wealthy donors like Nike founder Phil Knight heap loads of cash upon the football program. The money spent for athletics far outweighs that of academics. The focus is not for what's really important, the education of students.

Including this thread title, I'm really getting tired of the incessant Church comparisons. You'd think that everyone would have found a new whipping boy by now.

Top Gun wrote: You'd think that everyone would have found a new whipping boy by now.

We have. It is Penn State

callmeslick wrote:I suspect this is going to go WAY past football before it's over. While I have no academic or sports interest in Penn State, I have maintained a fishing camp in Centre County for over 20 years. The locals will gladly tell you that PSU views itself as above the law: the campus cops don't cooperate with the State Police, student crimes in surrounding communities are routinely covered up to keep the University's reputation clean. I note that the national press has just found out that the former DA of Centre County(and, no friend to PSU) has been missing for over 6 years, after hearing at least one report on Sandusky. His car was found about 40 miles east of the county and his laptop, sans hard drive, was nearby in the Susquehanna River. Nothing indicates a desire to either disappear or commit suicide. Stay tuned, folks, this one could get really interesting.

One of the few times I will agree with Slick. The curious thing about the missing DA is, even though he was reported to be a straight shooter, He never allowed prosecution of Jerry Sandusky when Mr Sandusky was reported as a child molester 13 years ago. Now one has to wonder if the DA's disappearance had anything to do with Penn State. Since the body was never found one has to wonder if professional types (i.e. rogue cop) had a hand in it. Only being wildly speculative here so don't club me for it.

And to add how things may have been kept quiet:

"A Penn State assistant football coach who reportedly told Joe Paterno in 2002 he witnessed a young boy being sexually assaulted in a shower won't be at Saturday's Nebraska game because of "multiple threats," the university athletics website said Thursday night."

One has to wonder just how happy Happy Valley is now-a-days.

woodchip wrote:One has to wonder just how happy Happy Valley is now-a-days.

actually it's more a testament to how low society has become when you demonize and threaten to kill a man who reported the molestation of children, instead of the man that did the molesting.

My question is: how much is enough?

Everyone is arguing that Joe Pa & company didn't do enough when they just reported it to their superiors. What should they have done? I guess maybe they should have called the FBI?

The man is going to get what he's going to get. The NCAA should ban Penn State from football competition for a year or something...they have to do something about the culture of football (and sometimes basketball) at colleges and universities. It's all about money; those players fill the stands and it's big dollars for the schools. I used to think they looked the other way when it came to academic cheating or minor scandals, but to look the other way when kids were being molested...yeah I just don't know if I have any words for that. About as terrible as it gets.I hope Paterno isn't the end of it...there has to be more.

Top Gun wrote:Including this thread title, I'm really getting tired of the incessant Church comparisons. You'd think that everyone would have found a new whipping boy by now.

I called it the Church of Football because people in this country worship college football. In this instance a popular and successful coach, just like people go and worship God in a church, not because I was comparing it to any church or anything. We put these coaches up on pedestals like Gods of Sports and we lavish them with money and power when they win. But the Bible did say something about NOT worshiping false idols.......

And to prove our sports Gods can do no wrong, thankfully woody posted it, guess who is getting vilified by the locals and students? Not the coach who didn't follow up on a child assault accusation, but the very person who reported it to him in the first place, the assistant football coach with a conscience. Same thing seems to happen to any whistle-blower in any organization too. Where the hell are the priorities of the people of Penn State and the town? Do you really want to worship a child assault enabler and threaten the very messenger who tried to do the right thing by reporting it?

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woodchip wrote:One has to wonder just how happy Happy Valley is now-a-days.

actually it's more a testament to how low society has become when you demonize and threaten to kill a man who reported the molestation of children, instead of the man that did the molesting.

I think the issue against McQueary is that he physically witnessed a little boy being raped by Sandusky in the showers...and didn't step in to stop it immediately. He didn't even do so much as yell out. He decided to slink away and call his daddy, and then go to Paterno the next morning. As disgusting as Sandusky is, I think McQueary's actions make me even more infuriated in a certain sense. What kind of human being doesn't go straight for Sandusky's throat when he stumbles across something as horrifying as that? I would have been on him before my brain registered what I was doing...there shouldn't even be a conscious thought process involved. How can you stand there in cold blood, have both Sandusky and the child see you there, and then just walk away? It's unfathomable.

CUDA wrote:

woodchip wrote:One has to wonder just how happy Happy Valley is now-a-days.

actually it's more a testament to how low society has become when you demonize and threaten to kill a man who reported the molestation of children, instead of the man that did the molesting.

actually, most of us view McQuery as a ball-less feck who saw a man raping a 10 year old boy and went quietly to his office. It is THAT for which he is mostly demonized. As for the gone-missing DA, there are rumors up in those woods that beyond simply abusing kids, there may have actually been a network that was selling(pandering) them. From what I've heard of the DA, he didn't press charges because the evidence in the early case was vague, and there is no indication that he was told any details of the 2002 case by the University officials until far after the fact, with no ID of the victim, to boot. Odd that his hard drive went missing, one can only wonder what information he had been slowly gathering by 2005......

right Top Gun, because not knowing what to do is far worse than actually molesting a child. A lot of people don't know what to do in many situations...kinda why I laughed after 9/11 when everyone said they would have stopped the hijackers. ★■◆● happens and people freeze. Doesn't make them the bad guy

"Freeze" nothing. This wasn't a situation where McQueary was in any form of danger, where his not acting could be excused. He was a big athletic adult male who saw an older man raping a child, and he chose to run in the opposite direction.

Actually he reported the incident to Paterno who reported it to the college president. About a week later he was interviewed by the complete president. I mean what should the guy have done? No one in the school cared and the police were on Penn St's side.

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snoopy wrote:My question is: how much is enough?

Everyone is arguing that Joe Pa & company didn't do enough when they just reported it to their superiors. What should they have done? I guess maybe they should have called the FBI?

there is a Federal law regarding the prompt reporting of all sex crimes on a University campus. That wasn't done, it would seem.

Whitewater wrote:Actually he reported the incident to Paterno who reported it to the college president. About a week later he was interviewed by the complete president. I mean what should the guy have done? No one in the school cared and the police were on Penn St's side.

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beating the living snot out of Sandusky and/or at least finding out the identity of the victim would have been a nice start. The guy is a coward without any sense of integrity or character. And that, in a nutshell, is where much of the outrage lies. This is a school, a football program that spent decades touting its focus on character and morals. That was and is a sham.