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"The residents of Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa can be targeted even by Shahab-3 missiles. These three areas which are located very close to each other are very densely populated and the population there accounts for about 60 percent of Israel’s entire population. Therefore, it is possible to use Sajjil missiles to target the infrastructures in this area including power plants, fuel and energy installations, water and sewage treatment facilities, transportation and communication infrastructures; and in the next stage Shahab-3, Ghadr and Ashura missiles can be used to target and strike residential areas in the cities until the final annihilation of the people of Israel."

-Ali Reza Forqani

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/ ... rael-more/

Cool. Maybe Israel will think twice about striking Iran's nuclear program. Be sure to pass that link on to your Jewish friends.

Cool. Maybe Israel will think twice about striking Iran's nuclear program. Be sure to pass that link on to your Jewish friends.

This is their goal whether Israel attacks or not. In fact this is the reason Iranian nuclear weapons would be a very bad thing.

But Israel has nukes too. So, you know, no worries. They got it under control.

But Israel has nukes too. So, you know, no worries.

Ahh yes... The bliss of ignorance oozes from you.

"People of Israel must be Annihilated"
"Hippies must die"

Just business as usual for these pseudo-murderous blowhards, best ignored.

Don't worry. Be happy!

roid wrote:"People of Israel must be Annihilated"
"Hippies must die"

Just business as usual for these pseudo-murderous blowhards, best ignored.

roid wrote:"People of Israel must be Annihilated"
"Hippies must die"

Just business as usual for these pseudo-murderous blowhar
ds, best ignored.

You probably would have ignored the Holocaust as well- that is if you even think it happened at all after the fact.

ThunderBunny wrote:Ahh yes... The bliss of ignorance oozes from you.

So, why does it matter if Iran blows up Israel again?

Because they wouldn't stop there.

Krom wrote:Because they wouldn't stop there.

I get the feeling they would be forced to stop there. How about you?

vision wrote:

Krom wrote:Because they wouldn't stop there.

I get the feeling they would be forced to stop there. How about you?

So you'd rather let Iran whack a million Israeli's before you stopped them? You anti-Semitic?

woodchip wrote:So you'd rather let Iran whack a million Israeli's before you stopped them? You anti-Semitic?

Of course, the anti-Semetic accusations. You are all too predictable. God forbid anyone hold criticism of blessed Israel.

Personally I don't believe Iran's government is stupid enough to destroy their entire country by attacking another (any country, not just Israel). And why don't I believe it? Because even without a nuke they still have enough armaments and missiles to effectively destroy Israel right now, today if they wanted. So why haven't they done it? Because they don't want to; it's a terrible idea. Besides, they are probably more afraid of Israel than Israel is of them. All the rhetoric is just politics as usual, so don't get your undies in a bundle miss.

uhm, Hezbollah, Hamas, Muslim brotherhood, Al-Qaeda, ya the Iranian Government are such a peace loving group. I don't see any reason why they would attack Israel

“Israel is weaker than it has ever been and its army is tired and humiliated,” he said. “This is why it is trying to solve its problems by talking about taking action against Iran. But these are ridiculous statements.”

“Iran’s warriors are ready and willing to wipe Israel off the map,” Vahidi said.

Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.

vision wrote:And why don't I believe it? Because even without a nuke they still have enough armaments and missiles to effectively destroy Israel right now, today if they wanted. So why haven't they done it?

Saying nothing of your overall point,you're not making any sense there. Isreal has nukes. That'll be why, for sure. Of course Isreal also has allies...

Sergeant Thorne wrote:Saying nothing of your overall point,you're not making any sense there.

All you have done was reinforce my point, thank you very much.

vision wrote:

woodchip wrote:So you'd rather let Iran whack a million Israeli's before you stopped them? You anti-Semitic?

Of course, the anti-Semetic accusations. You are all too predictable. God forbid anyone hold criticism of blessed Israel.

Personally I don't believe Iran's government is stupid enough to destroy their entire country by attacking another (any country, not just Israel). And why don't I believe it? Because even without a nuke they still have enough armaments and missiles to effectively destroy Israel right now, today if they wanted. So why haven't they done it? Because they don't want to; it's a terrible idea. Besides, they are probably more afraid of Israel than Israel is of them. All the rhetoric is just politics as usual, so don't get your undies in a bundle miss.

So if they are not stupid enough to do it.... Why is anyone, anyone at all, concerned about that potential?

Because someone just might.

Krom wrote:Because they wouldn't stop there.

OMG! They might move on to, say, Lebanon?

TechPro wrote:So if they are not stupid enough to do it.... Why is anyone, anyone at all, concerned about that potential? Because someone just might.

There is a difference between well-reasoned concern and wild hysteria. I think you can see which people are guilty of the later by simply looking at who started this thread. I don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. I don't want the USA or anyone else to have a nuclear weapon either. But I also believe Iran getting one won't be the end if Israel. North Korea has nuke capabilities and even crazier leaders, but there appears to be no imminent danger to their neighbors (and international pressure seems to be keeping things at bay, which will probably hold true in Iran as well). Of course we also need to remember it's pretty much impossible to use a nuclear weapon even if you have one because doing so means your own annihilation. Who wants to play a zero-sum game?* Iran just wants to be part of the nuke-club to show off how modern they are, and they are trying to muscle their way in.

But you're right. No one can be 100% sure Iran won't do anything stupid. But we can't be sure Israel won't do anything stupid either. I have a fair amount of dislike for both of them and if I wasn't a hard advocate of non-violence I'd wish them to just blow each other up already. But I'm going to let my optimism get the best of me and not worry about a mini-Cold-War in the Middle East.


*Some of you will want to make claims about Jihad and suicide-bombing as zero-sum since the bomber and the target both die. I tend to think political leaders are much less suicidal than the more impressionable would-be martyrs; just think about Bin Laden.

North Korea has nuke capabilities and even crazier leaders

North Korea is not headed by a suicidal messianic cult that wants to bring about armageddon.

Kim Jong Un (and his handlers) may have more level heads than the shia 12er cult at the top of Iran's ruling class.

ThunderBunny wrote:

North Korea has nuke capabilities and even crazier leaders

North Korea is not headed by a suicidal messianic cult that wants to bring about armageddon.

and, since Santorum seems dead in the water, neither will we! That was your point, right?

vision wrote:

Sergeant Thorne wrote:Saying nothing of your overall point,you're not making any sense there.

All you have done was reinforce my point, thank you very much.

No I haven't. Your point was the Iran would not nuke Israel because Israel would also have nukes.

I think that the powers-that-be are just looking for a reason, myself, and I'd love to see Ron Paul get in office and put a stop to it.

vision wrote:All the rhetoric is just politics as usual

this.
One has to remember that a lot of the groundwork in functional politics* is essentially just of herding and manipulating masses of foam-mouthed blithering idiots.
To have power, one must first gain and maintain power. Democracy is great - but i imagine a lot of politicians throw up their hands and say "look at this ★■◆● i've got to work with".

*especially in countries with a lot of religious fundamentalism, eg: USA, Israel, Iran.

I'm sure a lot of these ppl, these leaders, are nice enough, reasonable enough ppl, behind the scenes in their daily lives. But "i gotta put on my crazy hat to stay in power in this shithole of a country."

There's a line between the public "vote for me" face, and functional inter/national policies. All politicians walk that line, and due to a kindof natural selection they are the only politicians around.
It generally gives me comfort to know that it takes some brains to pull it all off (regardless of how dumb the public face portrayed is), i thus regard it as a sort of containment policy. That behind every well organised seething mass of idiots - there's some smart people controlling and herding it. It's nice to know there's a functional collection of braincells involved somewhere in the chain i guess. Well... until they herd the riot in your direction i guess.
ok it's not nice it's terrible, but i guess i'm mostly talking about at-home policies. The wonderful economic (and more) interconnectedness of our world tends to discourage wars. The drooling spittle leaking masses don't tend to quite get this. but the leaders generally do (get it).

callmeslick wrote:

ThunderBunny wrote:

North Korea has nuke capabilities and even crazier leaders

North Korea is not headed by a suicidal messianic cult that wants to bring about armageddon.

and, since Santorum seems dead in the water, neither will we! That was your point, right?

Not true....there's one in the white house right now.

if only the rockfish had cooperated so willingly last weekend.......