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thought I'd tell you guys about what happened to me on Thursday
I had to let one of my Employee's go Wednesday night for poor performance. he needed to return his uniforms before I could give him his final check. so the next Morning I was at work early because I was covering his shift (7am) and I was the only one in the office when he came in. I was in my office with my back to the door when he walked in to tell me he had returned his uniform. I told him thank you and reached in to my desk drawer for his check when he sat down at my desk. he asked me for better clarification of why he was let loose. so I started explaining it.(not that I needed to since Oregon is not a right tot work state) while I was talking to him I happened to glance down only to notice that he had a gun in the waist band of his pants it was not in a holster. I continued the conversation as if I didn't notice and he eventually left peacefully. it really didn't shake me up until about an hour later when I started thinking OMG what was he thinking!!!! he could have gone postal on me and then TC wouldn't have anyone to spar with on the DBB anymore I was the only one there from my department at the time, and there were only 4 other people in the whole dealership. makes ya stop and think. all though he never made any kind of verbal threat or physical threats. just the fact that he would OPENLY carry a gun the next day back to a place that he was just terminated from is a holy ★■◆● moment for me.

I'd report him. Glad you are ok. Must of been scarey.

Yes report him Cuda. He may have been contemplating something but his circumstances are not bad enough to push him yet. If things take a turn for the worse he may try and place the blame on you. Report him and then let him know tactfully that you have.

EDIT: Maybe just have an officer visit him to so he gets a picture in his mind, if any way possible, an older officer.

EDIT: Of course, pray about it and only do what you feel led to, I'm just throwing out ideas here.

I'd report him because you will feel guilty if he ends up taking someones life because you failed to act.

I would go about it carefully and seek wisdom, the guy is obviously unstable and may not need much provocation. I would try and get him to consider consequences.

Holy **** is right CUDA! I'm sure glad you're all right. I would have missed you too if that guy had decided he was pissed off enough at losing his job to just shoot his boss in a fit of rage. Unfortunately, it happens a lot nowadays, so I can see why you're worried.

First off, I can also see why you'd be hesitant in reporting this to the police. It might just rile him up over again. You'd rather hope that he forgets his rage and moves on to something else. The one good thing is that this guy will probably cool off as time passes and decide committing assault or murder is not worth losing a crummy job and ruining his life. He obviously had his chance once, and he apparently decided it wasn't worth it.

However, on the flip side of this argument, he did display a gun during a potentially hostile situation just to intimidate you, which indicated his state of mind and how far he thought he willing to go. I think that act alone is an arrestable offense, especially if he didn't have a concealed weapon permit. You can't legally use a gun just to intimidate in any normal everyday activity. At least the police would know who to look for if something were to happen to you in the future (God, hopefully not). I don't know how you or your wife are dealing with this, but it would put the fear of God in me and have me looking over my shoulder all the time. The authorities really need to know the identity and activities of this guy, for you and your family' sake.

Now one question. What does Oregon not being a RTW state have to do with some moron who's got a bee up his butt about how he was being terminated? Being in a union doesn't mean you're a crazy psycho. A crappy worker is a crappy worker, union or not. People do tend to get pissed off when they are losing their livelihood and means of support, especially in this economy.

Another question. What would you when the next future firing needs to be done? Would you carry and display a weapon yourself?

even after going through that, you still have the mental fortitude to make a joke here.

Yeesh...you hear too many stories about people flipping out after getting fired, so thank God he didn't try to pull anything.

First off, CUDA, good to hear that it didn't end tragically for you(I suppose we wouldn't have read squat on these pages if it had).
Sounds like you did a heroic job simply not freaking out. Still, given all the times I've been told over the past decade or so that open carry laws are the best thing since sliced bread, my position in opposition is bolstered. What right does any person have to
put a good hearted fellow citizen through the sort of angst you went through?

As for the 'what to do, now' part, I can't really give any advice. Follow your judgement....it is generally sound. Thanks for sharing and thank goodness you are alright.

Well that was quite an unnerving story, I'm glad nothing bad happened.

I'm kinda getting worried about ya Cuda. Give us a heads-up and let us know what's going on. When a man sits down , shows a gun and then says nothing, he's giving you a chance to change your mind. Or at least that's where my mind goes. let me know something so I can quit praying here.

EDIT: Does anyone here know Cuda personally or where he lives? That freak may be at his house right now. Maybe give a call to the police and have them visit his house or something. Can't hurt and I'd rather be safe than sorry.

I'm OK flip Thx.and Thx all.
I was remarkably calm when it happened, it's a little disconcerting now that it's over. but I just didn't know what he was thinking.

Now one question. What does Oregon not being a RTW state have to do with some moron who's got a bee up his butt about how he was being terminated?

just making a statement of fact TC. I didnt have to give him an explanation.

Another question. What would you when the next future firing needs to be done? Would you carry and display a weapon yourself?

Nope.... nothing I could have done to change the situation. if he had chosen to go down that path and shoot me there is nothing that I could have done to stop it. and I will not live my life in fear. but hey, I made peace with my maker along time ago

P.S. and sorry for not posting more I've been so incredibly busy at work that when the weekends come it's vegetable mode for a couple of days

A little bit of prayer never hurt anyone. I would still take some precautions Cuda, everything I said stands.

Wait a minute...was the gun concealed and say his jacket drooped open so you saw the gun? Or was it open to view with no clothing covering it?

the gun was not concealed. it was tucked into the waistband of his pants for anyone to see

Glad to hear you're all right after something like that, CUDA. Sounds like you handled it well.

As to what he was thinking, without having been there I would guess that he was worked up emotionally (maybe there were other things troubling him on top of being fired), and if you had been an ★■◆● about the whole thing he was going to shoot you or maybe just threaten/scare you. Most often it takes two wrongs to make a situation like that work.

I wouldn't be so quick to say there's nothing that could have been done if he decided to try something. Anyone who has ever watched Batman Begins knows that the will to act is everything.

CUDA wrote:the gun was not concealed. it was tucked into the waistband of his pants for anyone to see

Well it would seem that Oregon is open carry tho some cities may have banned it. Read this forum as it is exclusively Oregon related:

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showt ... ort/page19

So it may very well be your ex employee was perfectly legal.

Open carry is illegal in Portland and any public building in the state
And just because you can doesn't mean you should. Especially in certain circumstances

If it was illegal the police should of been called. And just so you know, a private place of business is not a public building. Having said all that I have, I'm immensely happy nothing bad happened. This board would not be the same without you.

Just read this; allow me to add to the "holy crap" reactions and the "report it" advice. If anything ever comes back against you legally for firing this guy, you'll at least have a documented police report about it.

Keep us posted... and keep posting. If we don't hear from you for a couple days, we might call the police.

I talked to HR about it this morning, they are handling it. looks like they'll probably report it just in case he comes back.

CUDA wrote:

Now one question. What does Oregon not being a RTW state have to do with some moron who's got a bee up his butt about how he was being terminated?

just making a statement of fact TC. I didnt have to give him an explanation.

No. but when you fire someone, common courtesy is to give an explanation. Firing someone and not telling them why only breeds resentment in the workplace between the other workers and management. The best places I ever worked at were the ones where the management and the workers liked each other. If I were fired from a job, union member or not, I'd like to know the reason so that I could have a chance to improve myself in the future, or at least try and make a case for leniency and a second chance, IF my boss had a heart, that is.

I gave him an explanation. However I chose not to club him over the head. He just wanted more

Well then, he was a jerk, and not deserving of a job at your place of business. I've worked with those types that always seem to have a chip on their shoulder about something or another and they aren't pleasant, even for the other workers. Politeness should work both ways.