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Did you guys notice that the pretext for the Iran war is the same as Iraq? ("Weapons of Mass Destruction, Avoiding Inspections")

Why do Jewish people cry so much about anti-semitism when the SYNaGOGUE of Saturn are Ra-cyst and hate white people because they think they're God's chosen race?

God is not a real estate agent. Discuss.

Personally, the Israelis need to quit crying on our doorstep whenever one of their neighbors starts a little saber waving. We are no longer their mommy and we're tired of the whining. The WMD excuse is old, tired and overused.

Israel has enough weaponry and manpower to wipe out everyone around them several times over, if they so choose. The people over there hate each other so much, nothing WE do is going to mollify the waring factions, ever. It's only going to blow back on us, no matter who we side with. It's a no-win situation. I say, we need to step back and see if they can actually defend their nation on their own, like any grown up nation bristling with modern weaponry would do. We've been trying for years to get some sort of peace agreement in place, but Israel obviously doesn't want peace, our they'd quit building their little settlements on Palestinian lands and pissing them off.

nice one sided view

tunnelcat wrote:Personally, the Israelis need to quit crying on our doorstep whenever one of their neighbors starts a little saber waving.

We've been trying for years to get some sort of peace agreement in place, but Israel obviously doesn't want peace, our they'd quit building their little settlements on Palestinian lands and pissing them off.

So Hamas (who is supplied by Iran) lobs 700-800 missiles into Israel and you call that saber rattling? And I dimly seem to recall that at one time Israel did agree to stop building settlements but didn't do them any good. So yeah, Israel are the terrorists and Hamas are the ones we should identify with.

woodchip wrote:So Hamas (who is supplied by Iran) lobs 700-800 missiles into Israel and you call that saber rattling? And I dimly seem to recall that at one time Israel did agree to stop building settlements but didn't do them any good. So yeah, Israel are the terrorists and Hamas are the ones we should identify with.

Nice twisting my point. You will remember that a series of Israeli pinpoint aerial missile assassinations of Hamas leaders set this whole thing off in the first place. It takes both side to make peace, and both sides are guilty of inflaming emotions. I agree that lobbing bombs and rockets are terrorist acts, plain and simple. But so is sending out warplanes and bombing buildings to rubble and killing children in the process.

The fact is, the Palestinians want a 2-state solution, and Israel does NOT. Israel keeps on settling in contested land, and the Palestinians keep getting pissed off about it. There's so much hatred on both sides that vandalism is being used as a terror tool, even by the Israelis.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/News/321/24/ ... roves.aspx

No, it's kind of unspoken, but most of the right wing Israelis don't even want to have Palestinians living on any of the contested lands at all. I'm willing to wager that what they ideally want is a pure Jewish State in ALL of Israel, by pushing out or getting rid of all non-Jews. The Israelis are taking over bit by bit with settlement encroachment and guess what, they want our help to do it, either militarily in one blow, or by slow expansion backed by military threat. I say if Israel wants a pure Jewish State, with all of Jerusalem, Gaza and The West Bank included, let them do it themselves now. They're all grown up now. They're fully capable of doing it, thanks to years of our help. But they will have to deal with the neighbors from hell that border them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/0 ... 82007.html

Here 'Burlyman' something for your anti semitic brain to absorb:

"Thunderbunny," I'm not anti-semitic. I'm anti-Zionist, anti-elitist, anti-totalitarian, anti-Luciferian, and pretty much anything anti-evil.

I'm hardly going to accept some screwball like you calling me anti-semitic. I am semitic.

Funny how Jewish people and Zionists alike cry (or pretend to cry, respectively) about being anti-semitic, when they're not even semitic themselves. Zionism isn't the same as Judaism by definition. The Talmud is very anti-biblical. I like Jewish people. I don't like Zionists.

Nevertheless this war is not about Judaism, Zionism, or any other "-ism"

CUDA wrote:nice one sided view

As long as tunnelcat is on a side that makes enough sense, it doesn't matter how many "sides" there are.

Anti-biblical? What the hell do you call the old testament?

Did you even bother to watch the video? Of course not. In any case; I see you spouting anti Jewish propaganda- the common slurs used against Jews and Israel. So I suppose I won't bother talking to someone as poisoned and as poisonous as you.

Anti-evil my foot. You would fit in nicely with the genocidal lunatic muslim brotherhood or national socialist and white supremacist parties.

None of those "flying spaghetti monsters" that you're so afraid of actually exist as such; that's just a fabricated lie used to scare naive Americans. The United States doesn't need a sensible reason to wage war, it just needs a pretext, it doesn't have to cater to your interests. The USA has all of the authority to advance its goals with your implied consent, not your conscious approval.

I didn't bother to watch the video because there's more to my life than watching your videos. I had somewhere I had to be, and I was waiting until I got home to watch it. I'm not anti-Jewish. I like Jewish people; I've even had friends who are Jewish. You don't know me and you know almost nothing about me. You need to start thinking outside of the United States' unconstitutional actions and propaganda narratives and see what's really going on. Zionism isn't Judaism.

Funny how you say the Old Testament is anti-biblical because that's basically what I just said above about the Pentagon. You should be thankful anyone is willing to review any information you have to give. Most people here hate everything you have to say about this subject.

...and since you brought it up, Israel is supposed to be an independent nation with God as its king. There is a prophecy in the Bible that states that Israel will be restored by the Lord himself, and that all the enemies who oppressed the Israelites will bow down before them and acknowledge that God has blessed them, and the synagogue of Satan will be brought before Israel and do the same.

It doesn't say that Israel will be established by the United Nations and the USA, and I don't see the Palestinians bowing down before them praising God. The "state of Israel" shouldn't even exist. Whatever is there is created and ruled by Zionist "elites," and all actions taken concerning "Israel" serve these Zionists. The state of Israel is a state that can only be established by God, according to Jewish beliefs, so any state there now with that name is a rogue state. It's not meant for Jews or to be in accord with the guidelines of their religion, it's meant to serve Zionists, Israel's ruling class.

I see it a little differently Neo, although I do agree with you that Israel is in a rejected state right now. I never have understood why Christians support everything they do wholeheartedly, not taking that into acount, but ultimately my heart is with them, for religious and secular reasonings. Yet I don't understand how you think they don't belong there. If it had not been for the Holocaust, they would never have garnered the sympathy they needed and got to re-establish their own state again. I mean these are ancient people. Throughout the ages they retained their cultural and religious identity, and now sit right back on the land that was promised to Abraham. I don't see them as illegal at all.I do keep an open mind though because I have recently wondered if the muslims themselves are not the lost sheep. They are very sincere and had not the Trinity doctrine heresy crept in by the Roman Catholics, there would have hardly been anything to fight about during the Crusades.

22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[c] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

This is an outright addition not found in any other translation, but since the King James version was adopted so early and by so many, the damage has been done.

Burlyman wrote:None of those "flying spaghetti monsters" that you're so afraid of actually exist as such; that's just a fabricated lie used to scare naive Americans.

What? Are you smoking crack or something? I'm an atheist.

Burlyman wrote:The USA has all of the authority to advance its goals with your implied consent, not your conscious approval.

WTF does that have to do with Israel or the Jews?

Burlyman wrote:Funny how you say the Old Testament is anti-biblical because that's basically what I just said above about the Pentagon. You should be thankful anyone is willing to review any information you have to give. Most people here hate everything you have to say about this subject.

...and since you brought it up, Israel is supposed to be an independent nation with God as its king. There is a prophecy in the Bible that states that Israel will be restored by the Lord himself, and that all the enemies who oppressed the Israelites will bow down before them and acknowledge that God has blessed them, and the synagogue of Satan will be brought before Israel and do the same.

You really must be on drugs.

Burlyman wrote:The "state of Israel" shouldn't even exist.

This really speaks to your bigotry and ignorance.

Look: all religion truly is CRAP. There is, however, a need for persecuted people to have a haven away from such persecution and Israel is that haven. It doesn't matter if you THINK it's legitimate or not. Almost NO country or state on this planet has ever been 'legitimate' from the start- however as the video explains so eloquently, this land was given to the Jews as some small modicum of recompense for the genocide much of Europe imposed upon the Jewish people.

Arab muslims- and muslims in general, have 57 other countries to call home. The Jews have only ONE. Israel.

The genocidal LIE that is the 'Palestinian Cause':

What Israel is doing to form their country is no different than what the Europeans did in the Americas. The Israelis are the new immigrants, slowly pushing out the former Arab residents to create their New Jewish country, just as White European immigrants did to the indigenous peoples that lived in the New Americas. Who is in the "right" is always up to interpretation, because for the losers, it sure looks likes the death of their culture when the more powerful and numerous "invaders" eventually take over and push them out.

I can't fault the Jews for wanting their own nation, especially for a people that haven't had a permanent nation to call their own. But is it worth the price of constant war and killing and the relocation of millions of people to achieve this goal? And if it IS worth it in their collective minds, are they even concerned what they are doing to the lives of the native peoples of the land, or do they just consider them impediments to their ideal of a pure Jewish State?

tunnelcat wrote:What Israel is doing to form their country is no different than what the Europeans did in the Americas. The Israelis are the new immigrants, slowly pushing out the former Arab residents to create their New Jewish country, just as White European immigrants did to the indigenous peoples that lived in the New Americas. Who is in the "right" is always up to interpretation, because for the losers, it sure looks likes the death of their culture when the more powerful and numerous "invaders" eventually take over and push them out.

I can't fault the Jews for wanting their own nation, especially for a people that haven't had a permanent nation to call their own. But is it worth the price of constant war and killing and the relocation of millions of people to achieve this goal? And if it IS worth it in their collective minds, are they even concerned what they are doing to the lives of the native peoples of the land, or do they just consider them impediments to their ideal of a pure Jewish State?

In any other situation, I would agree TC- but in this situation Arabs don't hate Jews because of Israel...they hate Israel because of Jews.The grand mufti of Jerusalem was a great friend of hitler and actually planned his own extermination of the Jews throughout the middleast. This genocidal hatred of Jews by muslims has existed for centuries.