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The fall of the American Democracy

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:11 am
by CUDA
Alexander Fraser Tytler, Lord Woodhouselee (15 October 1747 – 5 January 1813) wrote:"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.
A Detroit city council member is asking President Obama to bail out the financially troubled city in return for residents’ overwhelmingly supporting his successful re-election bid.

“There ought to be a quid pro quo," said Councilwoman JoAnn Watson, according to My Fox Detroit.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12 ... z2EC5gsM3r


Prophesy and a repeat of history, take form

Those that forget their past are doom to repeat it.

Re: The fall of the American Democracy

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:09 pm
by callmeslick
CUDA, do you really think the administration takes such a request seriously? Is there any indication whatsoever that they would? Come on, rejoin reality, it will do you a world of good, man.

Re: The fall of the American Democracy

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:12 pm
by Spidey
Yea, we all know only rich people get quid pro quo.

Re: The fall of the American Democracy

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:52 pm
by callmeslick
Spidey wrote:Yea, we all know only rich people get quid pro quo.
functionally, you may be correct. :wink:

Re: The fall of the American Democracy

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:21 pm
by Grendel
Haha, hilarious ! :mrgreen:

And -- smart man, that Mr. Tytler. So, BTW, was Mancur Olson...

Re: The fall of the American Democracy

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:58 pm
by CUDA
callmeslick wrote:CUDA, do you really think the administration takes such a request seriously? Is there any indication whatsoever that they would? Come on, rejoin reality, it will do you a world of good, man.
I can see the point and the quote zoomed straight over your head :P Politicians play the game. they make promises for Vote, both parties. the Democrats are just better at then the GOP :mrgreen:

but the quote is truth. and this is an example of it

Re: The fall of the American Democracy

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:07 pm
by Top Gun
And they've been doing it ever since the development of political parties, so I don't really see how your point pertains.

Re: The fall of the American Democracy

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:27 pm
by Ferno
So cuda.. if I vote you a promotion at your current job, would you come over to my place and buy me a new car?

Re: The fall of the American Democracy

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:27 pm
by Tunnelcat
CUDA wrote:
callmeslick wrote:CUDA, do you really think the administration takes such a request seriously? Is there any indication whatsoever that they would? Come on, rejoin reality, it will do you a world of good, man.
I can see the point and the quote zoomed straight over your head :P Politicians play the game. they make promises for Vote, both parties. the Democrats are just better at then the GOP :mrgreen:

but the quote is truth. and this is an example of it
No, Republicans don't anything so mundane, plebeian and sleazy as to buy the votes of a particular city. They strike right at the heart if the matter and gerrymander things to give their party the edge. :P

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/new ... se-663716/

Re: The fall of the American Democracy

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:31 am
by Spidey
So gathering like thinking people together, is somehow worse than bribery or pandering?

I say we just abolish political parties altogether!

Re: The fall of the American Democracy

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:39 pm
by Tunnelcat
No, gerrymandering is always used to skew the vote in favor of the party in power, not make it fairer for democracy. And yeah, both parties do it. However, I like this local guy's re-imagining of gerrymandering theory.

http://ashenfad.blogspot.com/2011/07/ge ... regon.html