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Here's how the Chinese are dealing with their aging population, by allowing elder and aged parents to sue their children if they don't visit or take care of them. None of that impersonal socialistic Social Security crap will do for the Chinese.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-0 ... e-backlash

Do you think that Republican politicians in this country would take a liking this Confucian idea and try to use it to get rid of Social Security, and maybe even Medicare? You know, put their ideal of "family first" and "take personal responsibility" and put it into law as a way to solve that looming entitlement crisis they keep harping about.

I could see the oh so caring Dems making it a law with the idea they would have more money to put more people on welfare.

tunnelcat wrote:Here's how the Chinese are dealing with their aging population, by allowing elder and aged parents to sue their children if they don't visit or take care of them. None of that impersonal socialistic Social Security crap will do for the Chinese.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-0 ... e-backlash

Do you think that Republican politicians in this country would take a liking this Confucian idea and try to use it to get rid of Social Security, and maybe even Medicare? ...:

Do you really think they want to get rid of SS and Medicare or are you just helping to maintain the rhetorical noise level?

Will Robinson wrote:Do you really think they want to get rid of SS and Medicare or are you just helping to maintain the rhetorical noise level?

Hell yes. It's been stuck in the Republican craw since FDR. Paul Ryan's still out there pushing his "vouchers" for Medicare" as a "good thing" for giving people a "choice" (yeah, suuure, bleed the system out through profit and privatization) AND he is trying to raise the eligibility age as well. Fine for me since I'm over 55, but if you're younger than that, you get to be part of his and the Republican's "experiment" to fix things the Capitalist way. Tough tooties to all you youngsters when you get old, because you just know a private system will involve risk and instability.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505146_162- ... ical-look/

Same with SS. More of this turning over things to private enterprise in the form of private personal retirement accounts and the raising eligibility age. Private enterprise isn't the magical "fix" he and every Republican seems to think it is. In fact, it's even more risky than letting the government run things. I'm thinking of what happened to Wall Street in 2007. We're just now finally getting all that stolen and gambled away money BACK, years later. It would have been kind of difficult if you needed the money to live on back then.

http://roadmap.republicans.budget.house ... sueID=8521

tunnelcat wrote:... In fact, it's even more risky than letting the government run things. I'm thinking of what happened to Wall Street in 2007. We're just now finally getting all that stolen and gambled away money BACK, years later. It would have been kind of difficult if you needed the money to live on back then. ...

How so, we haven't got back one penny the politicians stole!

And as far as I've been able to tell NONE of the plans offered by ANY politician are working toward the elimination of those programs. Some of them take the daring step to acknowledge they are going broke and need to be drastically reworked to remain solvent but there is nothing going on like you describe. Once again.

All this class warfare stuff Obama puts out. Anyone know how many politicians became multi-millionares after the first got into office?

woodchip wrote:All this class warfare stuff Obama puts out. Anyone know how many politicians became multi-millionares after the first got into office?

From my other post in another thread. So who's playing class warfare?

Average U.S. Hourly Wage for a Factory Worker
1965: $19.61
2007: $19.71

Average U.S. Hourly Wage Equivalent for a CEO
1965: $490.31
2007: $5,419.97

Will Robinson wrote:How so, we haven't got back one penny the politicians stole!

Can't argue against that. But if we can get back a government that will work for the people and not the corporations, things would work differently and we would get our money's worth.

Will Robinson wrote:And as far as I've been able to tell NONE of the plans offered by ANY politician are working toward the elimination of those programs. Some of them take the daring step to acknowledge they are going broke and need to be drastically reworked to remain solvent but there is nothing going on like you describe. Once again.

http://news.yahoo.com/house-averts-gove ... iness.html

Ryan's budget, marked by repeal of Obama's healthcare reforms and deep spending cuts to the Medicaid insurance system for the poor and other programs, will define Republicans' positions in the rest of this year's fiscal battles and in congressional elections in 2014.

House Speaker John Boehner said he would use the next debt limit increase deadline - likely in late July or early August - to demand more spending cuts and major changes to the federal healthcare and retirement programs.

They must think that by beating this Ryan Budget Plan and other "fixes" to SS and Medicare over our heads often enough that we'll suddenly and miraculously like it. Take from the poor and the sick and let the rich keep from paying higher taxes, that's their ideal.