uh-kayyyy... i just wet myself!

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:56 am

[youtube]glZ9ysFlOks[/youtube]

And more stuff on DA. CLik

And Official Site PrepareForDesent.com

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:59 am

Hell yes!

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:59 am

Hell yes!

Alter-Fox · Post by **Alter-Fox** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:09 am

Oh yes, it's coming along nicely...

[Carnivore grin]

ThugsRook · Post by **ThugsRook** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:19 am

im scared to find out what the min sys req are gonna be

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:52 am

If you can run UT 3 then you can run this no?

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:20 pm

I guess this needs it's own board on the 6DOF forum.
(even though they have their own boards.

)
Yeah Rook. This is on the newest Unreal Engine. Read HERE.

ThugsRook · Post by **ThugsRook** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:33 pm

Duper wrote:I guess this needs it's own board on the 6DOF forum.
(even though they have their own boards. )
Yeah Rook. This is on the newest Unreal Engine. Read HERE.

thx Dup, i might be able to run this. (1.6ghz / 4gb / GF8400)

however, it requires .NET framework

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:42 pm

can't run .NET on your box?

ThugsRook · Post by **ThugsRook** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:55 pm

can, just hate to

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:16 pm

If you have windows vista or windows 7, you already have .net.

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:24 pm

ThugsRook wrote:
Duper wrote:I guess this needs it's own board on the 6DOF forum.
(even though they have their own boards. )
Yeah Rook. This is on the newest Unreal Engine. Read HERE.
thx Dup, i might be able to run this. (1.6ghz / 4gb / GF8400)

however, it requires .NET framework

Is that for creating UDK stuff or for running UDK stuff?

Sapphire Wolf · Post by **Sapphire Wolf** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:48 pm

The furry approves the concept images on Dev'Art!

EDIT: *sees teaser*... Sweet mother of mercy, that is awesome!!!

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:36 pm

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:51 pm

By all that which is Holy, I have to get that game!

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:27 am

Wait wut? I thought the rights to Descent were owned by some no longer existing company that had the copy rights?

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:06 am

Total conversions and/or mods are allowable as long as they are free.

Alter-Fox · Post by **Alter-Fox** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:06 am

Can't say much about it but there is some exciting news on that front.
Please no speculation

.

If the game is going to be released not-for-profit we'll be able to negotiate something though. I guarantee it. Again, I can't say as much as I'd like to.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:59 am

If you lookup copyright infringement law under the violation called "confusion", you'll see that any similarity might be a disadvantage if this ever gets taken to court. (robots... levels... fonts...) But they're not making money off this game, so even if they try to take this to court, the violators will never be able to afford the fine, leaving the copyright holders with large legal fees. However, that does not mean that won't try and take them to court.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:37 pm

The community has gone through this before with Valen's project. If they hadn't wanted money they would have been fine. He contacted lawyers for both companies and had his own.
This really is a non-issue.

Alter-Fox · Post by **Alter-Fox** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:10 pm

Isaac wrote:...However, that does not mean that won't try and take them to court.

True, 'specially if it's Interplay.
Good thing it's not.

We know who the copyright holders are, and I think it's alright to reveal that we've spoken with them -- I can't reveal the outcome of the discussions yet but again it could be exciting.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:31 pm

Alter-Fox wrote:
Isaac wrote:...However, that does not mean that won't try and take them to court.
True, 'specially if it's Interplay.
Good thing it's not.

We know who the copyright holders are, and I think it's alright to reveal that we've spoken with them -- I can't reveal the outcome of the discussions yet but again it could be exciting.

LOL! Really AF?

The fact that you mention this and they've launched a whole new site complete with concept art and a teaser, is pretty "telling".

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:34 pm

So is there some kind of loose partnership going on here? Don't have to reveal if so Alter, but I wouldn't mind paying for a copy.

Also what happened to Valens project?

dwlpunk · Post by **dwlpunk** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:44 pm

Is anyone going to let the various news aggregate sites know about this? bluesnews, HardOCP, etc...

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:15 pm

woodchip wrote:So is there some kind of loose partnership going on here? Don't have to reveal if so Alter, but I wouldn't mind paying for a copy.

Also what happened to Valens project?

Woody, It basically has to be free. Not so much because of Interplay, (although that would certainly create a snag) but because of the license for using the UDK on this level. It's about $99 a seat and iirc, no money can be made on it ...that or a very small amount.. like $700 or some such. It's been too long since I've read the agreement. If they break this agreement, then they're on the hook for a LOT of money.

Valen's project got shot down because of (in his words) the blood feud between Parallax and Interplay. Rights to the game were divided up just weird enough to keep it from being simple as I recall. He had a post here on the whole matter before the site crashed number of years ago. So the fundamental message was "no, you can't for profit." That directly cut across licenses held on both sides. So that "Officially" killed the project as he was unwilling to do it for free. ... that and there were some "internal disagreements" that were creating their own set of road blocks.

Alter-Fox · Post by **Alter-Fox** » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:46 pm

The website has been created without any funding as far as I know. Same with the teaser -- we just happen to have a lot of talent on our team. You've probably figured out The Ascent Project guy is in charge of modelling. Incidentally, Verran is in charge of music -- and even I'm in charge of something I'm good at! As well as working on the music team.
There's nothing decided yet and I really can't say anything except that copyright won't be an issue no matter how we end up doing it. So you don't need to worry about that

. Just take my word on it for now, please.

I haven't heard anything from Valin since he made his original thread and we exchanged PMs briefly about something that could have been his project.

Hey look, I'm suddenly an ocelot! Did you notice? I certainly didn't! It must be Razzadooooon...

Whiteshark · Post by **Whiteshark** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:03 am

They need to add the original sounds in hq! That bot looks too awesome! (
waiting for the megahulk

)

MadMax1998 · Post by **MadMax1998** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:01 am

Glad you're discussing the game here. After all this is the first place where I announced it initially, in October.

As Fox stated, we have been in talks with the current copyright holders and although the outcome is undetermined at this point, we have not been held back by them to make the game for free. So it's either that (under the Sol Contingency name) or it may also become an official Descent game. At that point it would factor in the licensing cost for the engine and also the fees paid to Interplay for the Descent name, so then it would be priced as a commercial game.

As always, the new website (which I made myself almost entirely, no funding there) will be your #1 source of info on that. And the teaser trailer was made by two people from our team. Good quality doesn't need to have money behind it.

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:30 am

Whether it is free or to buy I will get it.

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:33 am

Give me something to play, then we'll talk.

I'm tired of people showing up with some fancy ideas/pictures/trailers and ending up with nothing to show for it.

Alter-Fox · Post by **Alter-Fox** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:08 am

We'll do our best to make the talking happen then

.
I understand how a lot of the community would be desensitized to these things. To be honest I expected a lot more responses like yours.

dwlpunk · Post by **dwlpunk** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:18 am

Are you guys allowed to use kickstarter or anything like that?

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:21 am

If there is some kind of IP infringement (copyright, trademark, etc) they probably can C&D you, though the title is probably the only thing close to that here. Reinterpreting works is generally not a violation.

Capm · Post by **Capm** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:57 am

Yes, total conversions (mods) and other freeware can be made and distributed, provided they're not making money off it. The models and artwork and music all have to be made completely from scratch, you can't re-use any original material. You also cannot call it "Descent". You can say its a "Descent mod" and the like, but it cannot carry the name.

Valin failed because when he left MSDS, no permissions went with him. He got too big for his britches and thought he could negotiate his own deal and make Descent 4 for money, which was never really an option given the situation with the copyright owners during that time frame. If he had stayed put and did what I told him, D4 could have been done along time ago. Of course, it wouldn't look as good as this is looking (modern engines, yay!)

I for one, hope you guys do strike a new deal and are able to revive the franchise. You're its last best hope!

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:49 pm

well, I'm with Merlin. If this goes for money, I'll be throwing handfuls! ...OK.. they may be $1's but there will be a lot!

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:15 pm

Since my last post I found out that in the US there is a potential issue with "derivative works" which is a little fuzzy - if it can be considered that, then unless it also qualifies for "fair use", there might still be problems. Maybe. If anyone cares.

BUBBALOU · Post by **BUBBALOU** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:23 am

/me hands Duper a wet nap....

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:58 am

Thanks Bubba!

/closes door ....

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:12 pm

Damn!

Neptin · Post by **Neptin** » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:12 pm

Yeah.. I'm ready to play too!