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Posted: **Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:09 pm**

The Boston Marathon is the focus of a terrorist attack. Keep the injured and the dead in your prayers.

Posted: **Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:54 pm**

This wasn't pleasant news to find when browsing around the net this afternoon.

On this subject, if the FBI, CIA and everyone else in the government is constantly breaking our wiretapping and privacy laws in their massive domestic spying campaigns, it would at least be nice if we actually got some results from their flagrant disregard for the constitution and founding principals in the form of actually preventing incidents like this. Of course I know preventing all incidents like these is impossible and all the domestic spying in the universe couldn't change that, but it would be nice if some of the people in charge would also realize that too.

Posted: **Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:16 pm**

Krom wrote:This wasn't pleasant news to find when browsing around the net this afternoon.

On this subject, if the FBI, CIA and everyone else in the government is constantly breaking our wiretapping and privacy laws in their massive domestic spying campaigns, it would at least be nice if we actually got some results from their flagrant disregard for the constitution and founding principals in the form of actually preventing incidents like this. Of course I know preventing all incidents like these is impossible and all the domestic spying in the universe couldn't change that, but it would be nice if some of the people in charge would also realize that too.

Maybe if they would approve those laws with a built in sunset clause of one or two years at which time they would have to show the invasion of privacy actually led to something positive in the prevention or apprehension department or else the law is left dead after the sunset.

Posted: **Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:22 pm**

Honestly, Krom, I think preventing stuff like this is a lot more doable than we might think looking at this from a perspective of inexperience with regard to such attacks. The FBI have a lot of experience and expertise under their belts. If this kind of thing isn't a false-flag, and it slips through, it could only be because of a misappropriation or lack of resources, IMO. Anyone here might think a bomb "could be anywhere". The truth is a bomb has to be in a place where it can take out multiple targets in a busy area without being interfered with by surrounding structures, if it is to serve its intended purpose.

On the other hand if they would just implement my "see something shoot something" initiative...

Posted: **Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:11 pm**

I was watching this on TV. Damn grisly scene. Looked like something of out of Iraq. Those people didn't deserve this hell either. I also heard that someone was chased down right after the first explosion. I hope they caught one of the bastards.

But what really scares me about this is the knee-jerk reactions by the government and police that will inevitability occur. A certain type of fear psychosis always takes over after something this tragic and deadly, and people in authority will use this incident for obtaining more power over us. We've had the spying and violations of our privacy Krom commented on escalate ever since 9/11, so will this event be used to further erode what privacy, or freedoms, we have left? Are we going to be our own worst enemy?

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:25 am**

according to the security-geek folks I count amongst friends, these were really low-end, low budget explosives in those bombs. Apparently, a short-term, immediate shutdown of local cell service prevented a couple more detonations. Odd choice, Boston on Patriot's Day....my condolances to the victims of these attacks, I would imagine that the wounds were nasty(and of course 3 or more deaths).

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:32 am**

Sad day. I will never understand the need to hurt others.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:35 am**

CDN_Merlin wrote:Sad day. I will never understand the need to hurt others.

I do.
It's called sin

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:19 am**

Well since they have a Saudi National as the suspect I'd say it's called Jihad

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:20 am**

Cuda, it really makes no different what it's called. I just never understand the point of hurting others. Why can't we all just get along? (no answer required)

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:31 am**

woodchip wrote:Well since they have a Saudi National as the suspect I'd say it's called Jihad

Don't think it can be a local white militia? Old IRA cronies?

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:15 am**

tunnelcat wrote:
woodchip wrote:Well since they have a Saudi National as the suspect I'd say it's called Jihad
Don't think it can be a local white militia? Old IRA cronies?

A saudi national is under guard at the hospital. I suggest you read the news a little closer before making knee jerk responses.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:17 am**

^ read the news? thats funny.

most likely just a false flag event.

be scared, be very scared

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:20 am**

callmeslick wrote:according to the security-geek folks I count amongst friends, these were really low-end, low budget explosives in those bombs. Apparently, a short-term, immediate shutdown of local cell service prevented a couple more detonations. Odd choice, Boston on Patriot's Day....my condolances to the victims of these attacks, I would imagine that the wounds were nasty(and of course 3 or more deaths).

A security talking head was going on about low blast pressure and how amateurish the act was. I couldn't help but think the real amateurs were the security personnel who allowed trash containers on the sidewalk. The act of terrorism succeeded and thus one has to consider it far from a amateurish act.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:21 am**

ThugsRook wrote:^ read the news? thats funny.

most likely just a false flag event.

be scared, be very scared

That has to be as moronic reply as I've read yet.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:28 am**

I think the only thing we can believe right now is that there were explosions and casualties. The rest is a bunch of jackals trying to cash in in one fashion or another.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:56 am**

woodchip wrote:
ThugsRook wrote:^ read the news? thats funny.

most likely just a false flag event.

be scared, be very scared
That has to be as moronic reply as I've read yet.

thats because you actually believe what the news says.
they are prolly still trying to come up with a narrative (lie) that fits their agenda.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:23 pm**

CUDA wrote:
CDN_Merlin wrote:Sad day. I will never understand the need to hurt others.
I do.
It's called sin

Exactly. And it isn't necessary to be seven spans in a forehead to guess who takes this sin on soul. I am sure that the reason of 90% of incidents with use of explosives is the order of the high-ranking politicians who sacrifice lives of peace citizens for the purpose of extraction of a political or economic benefit for itself. All the terrorists in the world are working on politicians. The remained 9% of such cases, in my opinion, occur because of mafia dismantlings and corruption in police. And only 1% can write off for unforeseen accident.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:38 pm**

ThugsRook wrote:
woodchip wrote:
ThugsRook wrote:^ read the news? thats funny.

most likely just a false flag event.

be scared, be very scared
That has to be as moronic reply as I've read yet.
thats because you actually believe what the news says.
they are prolly still trying to come up with a narrative (lie) that fits their agenda.

Reporting that the police stated they have a Saudi National as a suspect is far more believable than Chris Matthews speculating it was some right wing hate group (like TC sucks up to

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Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:46 pm**

woodchip wrote:Well since they have a Saudi National as the suspect I'd say it's called Jihad

having a 'suspect' solves a case in Woody-world? Wow!

I wouldn't be ruling out domestic terror, given the number of wingnuts threatening a 'new American Revolution', and that the locale was Boston on Patriots' Day.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:49 pm**

woodchip wrote:
callmeslick wrote:according to the security-geek folks I count amongst friends, these were really low-end, low budget explosives in those bombs. Apparently, a short-term, immediate shutdown of local cell service prevented a couple more detonations. Odd choice, Boston on Patriot's Day....my condolances to the victims of these attacks, I would imagine that the wounds were nasty(and of course 3 or more deaths).
A security talking head was going on about low blast pressure and how amateurish the act was. I couldn't help but think the real amateurs were the security personnel who allowed trash containers on the sidewalk. The act of terrorism succeeded and thus one has to consider it far from a amateurish act.

the trash cans and rest of the Marathon route are checked hourly by a mass of security personnel. God, you're quick to judge. First you claim holding a suspect as proof of the nature of the crime, now you toss out this gem. Any kudos to the folks who shut down phone communication within a minute to keep more people from being hurt? Sheesh.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:45 pm**

callmeslick wrote:Any kudos to the folks who shut down phone communication within a minute to keep more people from being hurt?

Nope, that turns out to have been a viral myth:

Five myths already cropping up

Reports flew around social media, mainly Twitter, on Monday that police in Boston had shut down cellular networks to prevent an attacker from using a cell phone to detonate another explosive. At least one media report quoted an unnamed source with information to that effect, before later recanting.

In truth, Boston's wireless network was simply overwhelmed with the volume of calls and other communications in the aftermath of the attack. Service was slow and spotty, but never shut down. Verizon and other mobile carriers confirmed they'd never been contacted by officials asking them to shut off service.

Soon after the bombings, mobile carriers were beefing up their networks in the Boston area. AT&T made its Wi-Fi system publicly available for free to help take the load off traditional phone lines.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:54 pm**

callmeslick wrote:
woodchip wrote:Well since they have a Saudi National as the suspect I'd say it's called Jihad
having a 'suspect' solves a case in Woody-world? Wow!
I wouldn't be ruling out domestic terror, given the number of wingnuts threatening a 'new American Revolution', and that the locale was Boston on Patriots' Day.

Falling in lockstep with the Dem spin machine I see.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:56 pm**

callmeslick wrote:

the trash cans and rest of the Marathon route are checked hourly by a mass of security personnel. God, you're quick to judge. First you claim holding a suspect as proof of the nature of the crime, now you toss out this gem. Any kudos to the folks who shut down phone communication within a minute to keep more people from being hurt? Sheesh.

Like I said, trash cans are a big no no where big events are concerned. Checking them hourly obviously failed... as such security failed the people viewing the run.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:59 pm**

Here's an idea:

Instead of the speculation (Jihadist, false-flag operation, domestic terror, whatever else is being bandied about), how about letting the investigators do their job?

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:15 pm**

Foil wrote:Here's an idea:

Instead of the speculation (Jihadist, false-flag operation, domestic terror, whatever else is being bandied about), how about letting the investigators do their job?

Yep. Speculation is just speculation. But you'd think that there would be all sorts of security cam footage from the businesses right behind were the explosions went off, so why plead for people to give them their videos in lame, content free news conferences? The Boston Marathon is a huge event with a lot of people in large groups. I would have thought that security cameras would have been placed all over the place just to watch for suspicious activity during the event. There should have been a lot of TV cameras sniffing around too. Yet, somehow, someone was able to put explosive devices in a couple of trash cans without being noticed? Yeeeeesh!

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:25 pm**

According to leaked reports- the bombs were fashioned in a way very similar to other jihadi IED devices.

Of course there is no way of knowing for sure- and will probably be all speculation for days if not weeks to come.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:38 pm**

They were apparently made from pressure cookers and loaded with ball bearings and nails. Still doesn't point to Jihadists, yet. We'll see what they eventually come up with.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/16/ma ... y-experts/

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:48 pm**

tunnelcat wrote:They were apparently made from pressure cookers and loaded with ball bearings and nails. Still doesn't point to Jihadists, yet. We'll see what they eventually come up with.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/16/ma ... y-experts/

There are previous islamic attacks using pressure cookers and al Queda had called for attacks on sporting events:

In the May 1, 2010 attempted bombing in Times Square, a pressure cooker packed with fireworks was used as a primary charge, placed inside a gun locker in the bomber's vehicle, with the locker containing the main charge. The pressure cooker worked as intended, but the bomb did not go off.

The bomb was discovered when a street vendor alerted police after he noticed smoke coming from the parked SUV. Faisal Shahzad, who authorities said was backed by the Pakistani Taliban, was arrested for the bombing attempt and sentenced to life in prison after pleading guilty in court.

Bombs made with pressure cookers were also used in a series of attacks in Mumbai, India in 2006. In those attacks, seven pressure cookers with mixtures of RDX and ammonium nitrate were placed on trains, killing more than 200 people.

But you can still give equal credit to the right wing nutbag theory if you like. A liberal needs to have her fantasy...

So far I can't find any Pressure Cookers Manufacturers Lobby that has given disproportionately to the repubs so I think we won't be seeing a call to ban large cooking containers with militaristic looking handles that can hold more than a gallon. Even though no one really needs a pressure cooker to cook their supper...

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:55 pm**

Ban pressure cookers, not guns

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:20 pm**

I thought all of the evil right wingers would just use their big bad assault rifles.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:21 pm**

Foil wrote:Here's an idea:

Instead of the speculation (Jihadist, false-flag operation, domestic terror, whatever else is being bandied about), how about letting the investigators do their job?

Amen. There were a hundred different rumors flying around yesterday and today, most of which quickly proved false, and continuing to spread them around doesn't do any good for anyone. The best thing to do right now is to keep the victims in our thoughts and prayers, and let the investigators get on with figuring out who did this.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:06 pm**

Will Robinson wrote:Bombs made with pressure cookers were also used in a series of attacks in Mumbai, India in 2006. In those attacks, seven pressure cookers with mixtures of RDX and ammonium nitrate were placed on trains, killing more than 200 people.

But you can still give equal credit to the right wing nutbag theory if you like. A liberal needs to have her fantasy...

So far I can't find any Pressure Cookers Manufacturers Lobby that has given disproportionately to the repubs so I think we won't be seeing a call to ban large cooking containers with militaristic looking handles that can hold more than a gallon. Even though no one really needs a pressure cooker to cook their supper...

Does it matter? Whoever the scumbags are who did this deserve some punishment of the worst kind, whether local militias OR Jihadists. Hate is hate, murder is murder.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:09 pm**

woodchip wrote:
callmeslick wrote:
woodchip wrote:Well since they have a Saudi National as the suspect I'd say it's called Jihad
having a 'suspect' solves a case in Woody-world? Wow!
I wouldn't be ruling out domestic terror, given the number of wingnuts threatening a 'new American Revolution', and that the locale was Boston on Patriots' Day.
Falling in lockstep with the Dem spin machine I see.

geez-o-pete, does EVERYTHING have to have political spin with you? Geezus, a bunch of people got maimed, all I said was 'I wouldn't rule it out, and suggested that you were jumping to conclusions'. As Foil put it well, let the investigators do their job.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:11 pm**

woodchip wrote:
callmeslick wrote:

the trash cans and rest of the Marathon route are checked hourly by a mass of security personnel. God, you're quick to judge. First you claim holding a suspect as proof of the nature of the crime, now you toss out this gem. Any kudos to the folks who shut down phone communication within a minute to keep more people from being hurt? Sheesh.
Like I said, trash cans are a big no no where big events are concerned. Checking them hourly obviously failed... as such security failed the people viewing the run.

thanks for failing to understand the nature of the Boston Marathon, or the open,public nature of Patriot's Day festivities in New England. The crowd is a constantly moving throng, so removing 26 miles worth of trash cans on public roadways is ludicrous.

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:50 pm**

tunnelcat wrote:Whoever did this deserve some punishment of the worst kind, whether local militias OR Jihadists.

those are our only 2 choices?

couldnt possibly be anything else, eh?

Posted: **Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:46 pm**

HAH! I knew it. It didn't take more than a day for the 'blame dems' to happen.

someone owes me five bucks now.

I wonder what's next. Obama let this happen while he was on vacation/fell asleep at the switch/we need more security?

friggin' conspiracy nuts...

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:18 am**

Who was blaming the Dems?

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:24 am**

woodchip wrote:Who was blaming the Dems?

Funny the way I read it was slick blaming the right.

Isn't that correct slick.that exactly what you did in the other forum. You blamed the right.
Moderate HA

Posted: **Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:09 am**

woodchip wrote:Who was blaming the Dems?

really? seriously?

Woodchip wrote:Falling in lockstep with the Dem spin machine I see.

between this and your track record of blaming the dems for everything.. do you really think we're that stupid?

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