DescentBB

Some of you have pointed out the idiotic things some Rep. politicians spouted. I now give you a Dem. who surpasses them all:

"Just weeks after launching his comeback bid for New York City mayor, former congressman Anthony Weiner acknowledged Tuesday that he sent more lewd photos and text messages, after he left Congress in disgrace for his prior explicit online chats."

And this guy wants another job holding a position of trust in the public sector?

Well, the idiots in Louisiana re-elected Republican David Vitter as a Senator after he got caught with prostitutes and had to quit in shame and Republican Mark Sanford, who was re-elected to the House after leaving in disgrace from the South Carolina Governorship while "Hiking the Appalachian trail" with his mistress, all while he was still married. So that means if Republicans can forgive their miscreants and malcontents, so perhaps will the Dems.

I'm with Woody to this extent: one would think the voters of NYC could find someone, anyone, to be mayor who wasn't spending chunks of his 'adult' life sending racy photos and texts to complete strangers. Idiot? Nah, just a creepy little guy.

1st time creepy, second time a idiot. Not exactly someone who learns from his mistakes. I feel sorry for his wife.

woodchip wrote:1st time creepy, second time a idiot. Not exactly someone who learns from his mistakes. I feel sorry for his wife.

I felt sorry for her until she decided being the Mayors wife was worth it...

She was/is Hillary's assistant and I think she saw how far Hillary got by staying with an ahole husband so I have no sympathy for her.

I don't feel sorry for his wife. she's made a choice at this point. and if you think his "tweets" are the worst of his actions, I have some swamp land I'd like to sell you

agreed with CUDA. It's her marriage, her choices, but......wow, all I can say is that were it me doing the stuff Weiner did, my wife would be tweeting pics of my body parts in a state of disassembly.

Oh, she may be making him pay the piper at home. Publicly, she's miss nice and forgiving. In private, the battleaxe ball breaker.

Personally, Weiner is a sicko exhibitionist who can't help himself. He doesn't deserve a second run at any office. Why his wife stands beside him after he apologized for it once in the past and then after he repeated the acts AGAIN kinda puzzles me. Love must be blind as a bat. I'm just curious to see if enough New York Dems still vote for the guy and put him in office. Hopefully they're more realistic and have longer memories than Republicans, who don't seem to mind reinstalling their adulterers and miscreants after they've gotten caught and kicked out of office in the past.

tunnelcat wrote:....Hopefully they're more realistic and have longer memories than Republicans, who don't seem to mind reinstalling their adulterers and miscreants after they've gotten caught and kicked out of office in the past.

Was it republicans who put the crack head whore monger in office as Mayor of their holy city Washington DC?

Or Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa in Los Angeles

Barney Frank: U.S. Representative from Massachusetts. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.

Rep. Fred Richmond, Dem: arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy. He remained in Congress and won re-election, but resigned in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

Bill Clinton, numerous affairs and re-elections...

Was it republicans who voted those guy back in too?

I seriously doubt the party affiliation has anything to do with the scumbag being a scumbag. If I had to guess though, I'd bet democrat scumbags can get re-elected a little easier than repubs due to the nature of the voters intolerance for those kind of things so maybe you should rethink your theory on which party re-elects scumbags more often because my google search was loaded....

Will Robinson wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:....Hopefully they're more realistic and have longer memories than Republicans, who don't seem to mind reinstalling their adulterers and miscreants after they've gotten caught and kicked out of office in the past.

Was it republicans who put the crack head whore monger in office as Mayor of their holy city Washington DC?

Or Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa in Los Angeles

Barney Frank: U.S. Representative from Massachusetts. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.

Rep. Fred Richmond, Dem: arrested in 1978 for soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy. He remained in Congress and won re-election, but resigned in 1982 after pleading guilty to tax evasion and drug possession.

Bill Clinton, numerous affairs and re-elections...

Was it republicans who voted those guy back in too?

Like I said, we'll see if the Dems have just as short of a memory in Weiner's case. In your above examples, apparently they forgot, didn't pay attention, or ignored things.

But what was Bill Clinton re-elected to? All I remember is face being all over the place like he's some rock star expert on Democratic principles. Of course, I have a very loooong memory. I would never vote for the guy in any capacity.

tunnelcat wrote:... But what was Bill Clinton re-elected to? ..

You seem to be forgetting everything pre Monica Lewinski.
His affairs go back to when he was a Governor. So he was already a big time whore dog before being 're-elected' twice to President after those numerous affairs.

I'm willing to bet if you were to dig around into the past of any candidate you voted for recently, you'd find all sorts of skeletons in their closets. Politicians and acting like conceited, self-aggrandizing jerks go hand in hand.

tunnelcat wrote:I'm willing to bet if you were to dig around into the past of any candidate you voted for recently, you'd find all sorts of skeletons in their closets. Politicians and acting like conceited, self-aggrandizing jerks go hand in hand.

Right. But then I'm not the one who tried to hold one party up as being more despicable than the other so maybe you should type that up and put it in a memo to yourself!

Will Robinson wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:... But what was Bill Clinton re-elected to? ..

You seem to be forgetting everything pre Monica Lewinski.

on this occasion we have a anecdote.

"The head of IMF gave a hint was that it is necessary to limit the printing of dollars in the USA - and at once raped the maid in hotel.

The founder of wikileaks Julian Assange published diplomatic correspondence - and raped at once two.

Silvio Berlusconi yapped something against United States - and at once overslept with the young child.

Now here the prime minister of Hungary asked observers of IMF to be cleaned from the country. Hold it, while it nobody fucked! ! !"

Before Lewinski there was Whitewater, 800 FBI files, illegal campaign contributions…etc…now people only remember that black dress.

Will Robinson wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:I'm willing to bet if you were to dig around into the past of any candidate you voted for recently, you'd find all sorts of skeletons in their closets. Politicians and acting like conceited, self-aggrandizing jerks go hand in hand.

Right. But then I'm not the one who tried to hold one party up as being more despicable than the other so maybe you should type that up and put it in a memo to yourself!

I only respond in kind because woody, and yes you, think all Republicans and teapartiers are saints and all liberals are the devil's spawn.

But maybe the Dems do have a sense of decorum.

http://news.yahoo.com/polls-show-weiner ... 48352.html

sigma, of course, ALL politicians have issues with their overactive libidos. It seems to be a disease of the political animal. Now in Russia's case, what is Mr. Putin trying to convey here (no disrespect intended)?

Spidey wrote:Before Lewinski there was Whitewater, 800 FBI files, illegal campaign contributions…etc…now people only remember that black dress.

I don't remember most of that hitting the national radar until after he was elected president. The only drama I remember before the election was his draft dodging, which as I recall, didn't hurt Dubya's election to president either.

tunnelcat wrote:Now in Russia's case, what is Mr. Putin trying to convey here (no disrespect intended)?

As far as I know, Vladimir Putin, a decent man and politician. He does not deserve to discuss his personal life and his work in this thread.

Putin is working on some man-boobs, I see.

sigma wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:Now in Russia's case, what is Mr. Putin trying to convey here (no disrespect intended)?

As far as I know, Vladimir Putin, a decent man and politician. He does not deserve to discuss his personal life and his work in this thread.

Why not? Oh that's right! You say you live in Moscow so I guess it is prudent to praise Putin.

woodchip wrote:You say you live in Moscow so I guess it is prudent to praise Putin.

and I so hoped that I won't hear a similar remark No, my advantage of residence in Moscow allowed me only to learn more about this person.

so, Sigma, you are ok with the former Secret Police chief running your nation for what appears to be a twenty year period? I wouldn't be, personally. Apologies for veering off the initial thread topics, but I seldom get to exchange thoughts with a Russian citizen.

sigma wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:Now in Russia's case, what is Mr. Putin trying to convey here (no disrespect intended)?

As far as I know, Vladimir Putin, a decent man and politician. He does not deserve to discuss his personal life and his work in this thread.

So if that's the case, why are our politicians OK to mock? All politicians, and leaders, are corruptible. That's why they're in politics, for the power and glory. Russia's politicians are no exception. You're country has become just as corrupt as ours nowadays. By the way, I was not mocking Putin. I was only questioning why he thought it wise for the leader of a major power to parade around bare chested, riding a horse and getting his picture taken. He's setting himself up for something.

I already answered this question here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=20349&p=315935#p315935

sigma wrote:I think, won't be mistake to tell that irrespective of who at us is a President, the foreign policy of our country never was and hardly will be is directed on a invasion of any other country.

I would add that the foreign policy of the USA is just directed on invasion and a gain of other countries. To put it briefly, the USA now actively are pushed by the whole world to nuclear war. I think that the third world war is inevitable. How soon it will occur, now in many respects depends on policy of the leadership of the USA. In my opinion, there will be a usual scenario - as soon as any country (as France, Germany) starts thinking that Russia is rather weakened, they why again start considering that that they will have enough forces to win Russia. I wouldn't like that the peace people of the USA joined the people of the countries of Europe and Russia which already know that such fear, hunger, corpses of sons, fathers and mothers, a grief of millions people and other horrors of war.

P.S. But after all a little that depends personally on us, isn't that so?

Well, I can't argue there. Between Bushie and his 2 wars, err, invasions, and Obama and his drone strikes in foreign countries and the NSA spying on everyone everywhere, our hands are pretty dirty, all in the name of national security. We've sullied our reputation all over.

Short memories and huge blind spots are very convenient things.

EDIT: I guess I should cut sigma some slack, it’s not like they have a free press over there.

first, I am not the press. I am the ordinary citizen of Russia who can leave any comments at any Russian and foreign forums or the international video hostings. Including about our power. Without fear that for me will come early in the morning to put on me handcuffs. We have here now such freedom of speech that only the President who isn't afraid to be caught of any obscene acts, is able to allow the people to speak so freely about the power anything. Even nonsenses. Everywhere there are fools and paid journalists.
OK, I will try to answer your questions in this unsuitable subject, as to create a separate subject, perhaps, would be superfluous. I understand disappointment of President Putin in own people to which he gave so much democracy that the people began to perceive democracy as opportunity almost with impunity to commit economic crimes, to fill the pockets the at the expense of the state and corruption. On the other hand, I can understand and our people which yearned on beautiful life for so many decades of authoritative modes. I am sure that this temporary insanity from full freedom will be replaced soon by understanding of the real values, such as patriotism, honesty and decency. This process already happens.
I didn't notice behind Vladimir Putin passion to a self-PR. Besides I like to ride in the summer the bicycle with an open torso when it is possible. Try, and I am sure that too it will be pleasant to you.
As for aggression of the USA against Russia. Considering that Russia doesn't need to conquer new territories as she and so full of land, resources, a huge economic potential, we even return back to Alaska is no urgent need. Besides, hundreds of billions of dollars of Russians anyway, are in American banks. I don't see any other reason for aggression against Russia, except that fact, the USA sees in the person of Russia the strong competitor in the international arena, which can ignore the opinion of the U.S., rival, who on all international issues dares to have own opinion, holds largely independent own policy, and in addition, is potentially dangerous economic competitor of the USA.

Sigma, I'm surprised to hear Putin described as one who brings freedom to the people. From here in America he is seen as someone who would put his opponents in jail.

He and President Bush were at a press conference where the press asked Bush a number of difficult questions and Putin asked him afterwards why he tolerated such questions. On another occasion he asked how Bush could accuse him of silencing the press when Bush had supposedly fired Dan Rather and other reporters for their fake story about him... So it seems Putin doesn't understand just how free our media is. I wonder just how free Russian press is if Putins perception of our "free press" is so far from reality.

What is your understanding of why the band Pussy Riot was put in jail? What we are told is they were protesting Putin too much.

You know when I read the western press and I watch news on the TV foreign channels, me each time doesn't leave feeling that to you rake over the coals, that is to you present news from Russia from the point of view of, favorable to the American policy, and is frequent with an irony shade over Russia. In the western news so there isn't enough truth which to you don't want to say that the Russian person will want to examine news of the western mass media, only to laugh over them. I would tell that in these news of 30% of the truth, and 70% of the anti-Russian promotion. Our central mass media too say lies to us and you much. But at us and a huge number of alternative sources of truthful, undistorted information and competent independent analytics and opinions of experts. On mine, the central mass media as in the West, and in Russia, it is impossible to consider as sources of full information.

As for Pussy Riot. I feel personally sorry for these girls. I am sure that them used in dirty political goals. I consider fully fair punishment for them. They intentionally profaned the temple and feelings of believers, it is the fact.

Will Robinson wrote:Sigma, I'm surprised to hear Putin described as one who brings freedom to the people. From here in America he is seen as someone who would put his opponents in jail.

or, far worse, simply have them killed by his minions. Sad to be the bearer of reality, Sigma, but there have been cases where such has happened.

What is your understanding of why the band Pussy Riot was put in jail? What we are told is they were protesting Putin too much.

those of us who have followed the story closely see it as both protesting Putin, but also the supportive role of a Church(the Orthodox) in Putin's overreach for dictatorship.Thus, the group is seen as an affront to religious Orthodox Christians. It does become a thorny issue, as the Church was banned under communist rule. However, I still await Sigma's comments in regard to my earlier question. Do you deny that Putin has essentially established a dictatorship, setting himself up as the single man controlling Russia for a 20 year span(assuming he survives until the end of his current legal term in office)?

callmeslick wrote:

Will Robinson wrote: However, I still await Sigma's comments in regard to my earlier question. Do you deny that Putin has essentially established a dictatorship, setting himself up as the single man controlling Russia

That for nonsense! About Putin's dictatorship not out of the question. He punishes the people posing threat for the Russian state, instead of for it personally.

Same for Texas! Mainstream media portrays Texas as a bunch of fat dumb guys that like to drink and shoot stuff. It's not true. Some of us go to the gym.

sigma wrote:
As for aggression of the USA against Russia. Considering that Russia doesn't need to conquer new territories as she and so full of land, resources, a huge economic potential, we even return back to Alaska is no urgent need.

So what lands did America conquer? Do you mean Japan or Germany after we defeated them in WW2? Do you mean Korea or Vietnam? Or more recently Iraq? Even Afghanistan we will be leaving, not because we are forced to, but because we do not conquer. On the other hand, was it the US that built the Berlin wall? Did we roll tanks into Hungary when the Hungarians wanted their freedom? Cause the therm "Iron Curtain" to be coined? Was it the US that caused the death of millions of Ukrainians?
I suggest sigma, you take a good hard look at what your country did before you accuse us of "Conquering" other lands.

sigma wrote: Besides, hundreds of billions of dollars of Russians anyway, are in American banks. I don't see any other reason for aggression against Russia, except that fact, the USA sees in the person of Russia the strong competitor in the international arena, which can ignore the opinion of the U.S., rival, who on all international issues dares to have own opinion, holds largely independent own policy, and in addition, is potentially dangerous economic competitor of the USA.

Just what goods does Russia manufacture that competes with the US on the world stage?

woodchip wrote:...
Just what goods does Russia manufacture that competes with the US on the world stage?

Not "goods" but I think they have us beat in producing beautiful women!

woodchip, If it is possible, I won't retell here the real world history and to tell about modern world economic system.

All I want to say with your questions, your understanding of the facts strongly distorted, in my opinion.

Will Robinson wrote:

woodchip wrote:...
Just what goods does Russia manufacture that competes with the US on the world stage?

Not "goods" but I think they have us beat in producing beautiful women!

If Will so considers, so so it and is.

sigma wrote:woodchip, If it is possible, I won't retell here the real world history and to tell about modern world economic system.

All I want to say with your questions, your understanding of the facts strongly distorted, in my opinion.

The classic dodge.

woodchip wrote:Just what goods does Russia manufacture that competes with the US on the world stage?

PORN

woodchip wrote:Just what goods does Russia manufacture that competes with the US on the world stage?

Vodka, definitely! And they make some very nice high quality porcelain too.

sigma wrote:

callmeslick wrote:

Will Robinson wrote: However, I still await Sigma's comments in regard to my earlier question. Do you deny that Putin has essentially established a dictatorship, setting himself up as the single man controlling Russia

That for nonsense! About Putin's dictatorship not out of the question. He punishes the people posing threat for the Russian state, instead of for it personally.

Threats? In what way? And, I think the translation is garbled, but you are claiming you aren't presently returning to a dictatorship? Like the 80 years or so of Communist dictatorship wasn't enough? One would think that the Russian people would be more fearful than they seem to be of placing such strong powers in one man's hands, especially when that man ran the Secret Police for the last dictatorship.Further, are you aware of the money being made, and further, being sent out of your country by Putin's friends?

callmeslick wrote:

sigma wrote:

callmeslick wrote:

Will Robinson wrote: However, I still await Sigma's comments in regard to my earlier question. Do you deny that Putin has essentially established a dictatorship, setting himself up as the single man controlling Russia

That for nonsense! About Putin's dictatorship not out of the question. He punishes the people posing threat for the Russian state, instead of for it personally.

Threats? In what way? And, I think the translation is garbled, but you are claiming you aren't presently returning to a dictatorship? Like the 80 years or so of Communist dictatorship wasn't enough? One would think that the Russian people would be more fearful than they seem to be of placing such strong powers in one man's hands, especially when that man ran the Secret Police for the last dictatorship.Further, are you aware of the money being made, and further, being sent out of your country by Putin's friends?

There is a whole lot of vacuum being filled over there, I dont think you should blame the Russian people for not whipping their 'new system' into place when the system is in such a state of flux and the potential fear you cite works against them raising up as much as it could motivate them to do so.

woodchip wrote:

sigma wrote:woodchip, If it is possible, I won't retell here the real world history and to tell about modern world economic system.

All I want to say with your questions, your understanding of the facts strongly distorted, in my opinion.

The classic dodge.

OK. I will express the opinion about it in more detail that nobody thought that I get out of replying. In spite of the fact that that in the English version of Wikipedia the history of World War II is presented only as success of allied forces, on mine, it is impossible to deny that fact that all weight of war with the German fascism and Japan was born by the Russian people. And Russia rightfully can be considered as the only winner in these wars, at least because Prussia, Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands were attached under the contribution law to the territory of Russia, instead of to the territory of any of the countries allies of the USSR. It is impossible to deny that the USA rendered the big help of the USSR in fight against fascism. But, by the way, for the payment of our gold. The USA sent the armies to the aid of the USSR only when it became clear that the USSR and without the aid of the USA will win against Germany and Japan.

And here why the USA dumped nuclear bombs to the won Japan, to me is unclear. Also to me it is unclear that did the American armies of the USA and agents of CIA not only in Japan, but also in Korea, Iran, Guatemala, Egypt, Lebanon, China, Cuba, Congo, Vietnam, Dominican Republic, Grenada, Panama, the Persian Gulf, Somalia, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Iraq, Haiti, Libya, Syria. In all these countries there were military conflicts to participation of the American armies, U.S. agents organized and fueled these wars, bearing blood, tears, a grief to the people of these countries and a huge number of the taken-away lives in anything not guilty peace people.

Also it isn't so clear to me, why it was necessary to send the Soviet soldiers to perish in Afghanistan. But, the reasons of a dislocation of the Soviet armies to GDR and revolt suppression against the USSR in Hungary personally for me don't cause questions or indignation.

Further. In my opinion, today the most unscrupulous and impudent dictator in the world are the USA. The USA with ease forgets promises, violates the international arrangements, violates charters of the international organizations, laws of others country. Politicians and diplomats of the USA often easily renounce the principles of morals, ethics, refuses the words, etc. the USA in general are more similar to the world racketeer or the bandit, than to "the world police officer". You look, a public debt of the USA - 16,7 trillion dollars. For comparison, the external debt of Russia in June 2013 was 49.6 billion dollars. So this the USA actually live on credit, terrorizing the whole world to support the economy. Political or economic opponents of the countries dependent on the USA ask from the USA the help in the interstine conflicts to deal with the competitors by means of Armed forces of the USA. Thus paying the requests own independence and in huge percent in terms of money. I am not abandoned by feeling that the USA it is a huge economic soap bubble. But as the world economy yet doesn't object to use of dollar as the main settlement payment currency, this soap bubble will grow only in the sizes. I suspect that the USA tries to colonize Russia not least that when crisis of dollar will reach a critical point, the Russian ruble, as the most provided real energy resources economic potential and political autority about which all meanwhile prefer not to tell Russia loudly can quite become world currency.
P.S. Certainly, I am not a politician and not the economist that my opinion applied for the ultimate truth. My view is created on the basis of my conclusions from publications of the American and Russian economists, politicians and analysts in recent years, with which I had bases to agree.