We are Dying
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:49 pm
According to Reid and Obama our economy was supposed to die when funding for govt. shut down. It is so bad I see the Dow is up 30 points.
Fixed it for yawoodchip wrote:According to Reid, Obama and Slick our economy was supposed to die when funding for govt. shut down. It is so bad I see the Dow is up 30 points.
Explain that to slickTop Gun wrote:Yes this is totally how economics works woody has nailed it.
Slick wrote:way to go, House!! Stock market opens down around 200 points(Dow index)..
As Cuda pointed out, our resident expert on such things thought so.Foil wrote:So the market went down, then up. You guys really take these little movements as indicative of long-term impact?
apparently. I repositioned my portfolio for the coming 'debt ceiling' mess, but not for a govt shutdown. The latter is fecking with a planned fishing trip(destination is a National Seashore). As I stated before, however, the markets hate uncertainty, and thats what the loony right provides in spades. Funny how Woody jumps up and down over a 1/2% gain which follows a 5 day drop of 2%.Foil wrote:So the market went down, then up. You guys really take these little movements as indicative of long-term impact?
Do you think that's a long enough sample to make any conclusions about?callmeslick wrote:...a 1/2% gain which follows a 5 day drop of 2%.
not really. Just reflects short term uncertainty. Today's rise was likely because business numbers looked so good(you know, from the failing recovery), that they outweighed the uncertainty. The debt ceiling thing the last time caused around a 16% drop, and another one would likely do likewise. Remember, the last time they didn't actually default, but now these loons seem capable or even gleeful about following through to default(which, as I noted elsewhere is technically forbidden by the 14th amendment). If we default, even for a day, our economy is cooked. Long-term, possibly forever. No I do not think I am overdramatizing. Why? Because the rock-solid credit of the US and the solidity of the currency are cornerstones upon which the entire national economy rests. If they crumble, what is on top of them could easily collapse.Foil wrote:Do you think that's a long enough sample to make any conclusions about?callmeslick wrote:...a 1/2% gain which follows a 5 day drop of 2%.
I think it's funny the politicians get a 75% subsidy for Obama care when they make 174k a year...at the taxpayer's expense.tunnelcat wrote:I think it's a funny coincidence that Google has a Yosemite Anniversary doodle on the same day the government get's shut down by intransigent Republicans, who we know hate those Federal National Parks and would rather see private enterprise be allowed to cut the trees, drill for oil and mine for minerals AND not pay a dime back to the taxpayer for the privilege.
Ted Cruz isn'ttunnelcat wrote:Yeh, that really stinks, I agree. If what they have is so good for them, why didn't the lawmakers give US what they have when they had the chance, hmmmmmm? What really stinks is the fact these bastards are keeping their paychecks while the government is shut down and every other employee is furloughed. I say, no workie, workie, no checkie, checkie.
He's smart, but in an evil, certifiable way. And he irritating to listen to.CUDA wrote:Ted Cruz isn'ttunnelcat wrote:Yeh, that really stinks, I agree. If what they have is so good for them, why didn't the lawmakers give US what they have when they had the chance, hmmmmmm? What really stinks is the fact these bastards are keeping their paychecks while the government is shut down and every other employee is furloughed. I say, no workie, workie, no checkie, checkie.
I see your centrists attitude is showing through again. This is both parties fault and yet you chose to only make it about one. Why how middle of the road of you.callmeslick wrote:they've already turned it into a playpen on one side of the Rotunda.
don't be delusional, CUDA.....this mess is at the feet of one part of one party. That group spent 6 months preventing conference seating to negotiate the House and Senate appropriation bills. That group has caused this recent mess, and is threatening to cause default. For what? And then, they try to make it seem like no one wants to 'negotiate'? Someone I read earlier put it best:CUDA wrote:I see your centrists attitude is showing through again. This is both parties fault and yet you chose to only make it about one. Why how middle of the road of you.callmeslick wrote:they've already turned it into a playpen on one side of the Rotunda.
At least one side turned up to play.callmeslick wrote:they've already turned it into a playpen on one side of the Rotunda.
so who's not negotiating again??After leading the Democrat-dominant Senate to vote against the House-approved continuing resolution (CR) spending measure -- which included a one-year delay in implementing Obamacare -- along party lines (54-46), Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said, “We are not going to negotiate on this” legislation.
gotta love all that Democratic negotiations" Obama said in an interview with NPR. it would not accept anything but a clean continuing resolution, or a bill that Obama also told Steve that he would not negotiate on the fate of Obamacare.
That sounds pretty close to me.callmeslick wrote:don't be delusional, CUDA.....this mess is at the feet of one part of one party. That group spent 6 months preventing conference seating to negotiate the House and Senate appropriation bills. That group has caused this recent mess, and is threatening to cause default. For what? And then, they try to make it seem like no one wants to 'negotiate'? Someone I read earlier put it best:
"I want to burn your house down'
No
'Then, let me just burn the 2nd floor'
No
"Then how about just burning the garage and kitchen'
No
'Well, what can I burn down??'
Nothing
"You won't NEGOTIATE!!!!"
This is NOT how you revise legistation that has passed. This is NOT how the legislative process was designed to operate. This is, in fact, senseless irresponsibility, bordering on treason(they did take an oath to uphold the Constitution and protect the nation). And, while there are plenty of reasons to have issues with either party, this mess is at the feet of ONE party, which cannot control it's extremist wing.
That's NOT what Republicans are doing. Their stance is, and always has been, that they won't talk or come to terms UNLESS an already negotiated and decided law is either tossed out, or delayed, or taken down piece by piece. You'll notice that these guys keep referring to it as a BILL. It's now a LAW you morons! The house is already built and they want to tear it down stick by stick because they don't like the paint job!CUDA wrote:ne·go·ti·ate (n-gsh-t)
v.
To confer with another or others in order to come to terms or reach an agreement: "It is difficult to negotiate where neither will trust"(Samuel Johnson).
v.
To arrange or settle by discussion and mutual agreement:
After leading the Democrat-dominant Senate to vote against the House-approved continuing resolution (CR) spending measure -- which included a one-year delay in implementing Obamacare -- along party lines (54-46), Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said, “We are not going to negotiate on this” legislation.
so who's not negotiating again??
"He"? Last I heard, shooter was reportedly a woman...tunnelcat wrote:So will it turn out that the shooter was a right wing gun nut, or a meek and wussy liberal? He's in custody at least and one captial guard was only injured in the fracas.
Really? The news has been a little sketchy, but I see more info is now coming out. This ought to be interesting. Unfortunately, she's now a little dead to tell her motive.Foil wrote:"He"? Last I heard, shooter was reportedly a woman...
Obama. Just look at how Clinton and Johnson handled things. But then they knew how to lead and negotiate.Top Gun wrote:The amount of spin required to turn this into the Democrats' fault is pretty damn stunning. Who's the group holding the entire government hostage because they won't get over their insane obsession against the ACA, again?
W/ a child in the backseat no less...Foil wrote:"He"? Last I heard, shooter was reportedly a woman...tunnelcat wrote:So will it turn out that the shooter was a right wing gun nut, or a meek and wussy liberal? He's in custody at least and one captial guard was only injured in the fracas.
As slick and TC both put it, dealing with a group whose only priority is destroying your stuff isn't "negotiation." If Boehner wasn't such a pussy, he'd listen to the only sane voices left in his caucus and pass a clean funding resolution. The teabaggers can go ★■◆● themselves, since they seem to be very adept at that.woodchip wrote:Obama. Just look at how Clinton and Johnson handled things. But then they knew how to lead and negotiate.Top Gun wrote:The amount of spin required to turn this into the Democrats' fault is pretty damn stunning. Who's the group holding the entire government hostage because they won't get over their insane obsession against the ACA, again?
If Obama wasn't such a pussy he'd call Boehner and Reid to the oval office and discuss the issues with them face to face. You know, like Clinton and Johnson would of done.Top Gun wrote:As slick and TC both put it, dealing with a group whose only priority is destroying your stuff isn't "negotiation." If Boehner wasn't such a pussy, he'd listen to the only sane voices left in his caucus and pass a clean funding resolution. The teabaggers can go ★■◆● themselves, since they seem to be very adept at that.woodchip wrote:Obama. Just look at how Clinton and Johnson handled things. But then they knew how to lead and negotiate.Top Gun wrote:The amount of spin required to turn this into the Democrats' fault is pretty damn stunning. Who's the group holding the entire government hostage because they won't get over their insane obsession against the ACA, again?
Is that an intentional lie or just spoken out of Ignorance??tunnelcat wrote:Yeah, and which party always throws a snit fit when they don't get their way? Why, it's always been Republicans.
There isn't anything to discuss. You don't stamp your feet and throw a temper tantrum just because a law you don't like is on the books. If the Republicans want to delay or repeal parts of the law, they can try to win enough seats in Congress in 2014 to override a veto, or else go for the presidency in 2016. (Good luck with either of those.) That's how these things work, and how they've always worked.woodchip wrote:If Obama wasn't such a pussy he'd call Boehner and Reid to the oval office and discuss the issues with them face to face. You know, like Clinton and Johnson would of done.
...what the ★■◆●? Where are you getting that from?As to your gay slur on the Tea party, I guess you must be anti-faggot right?