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Earlier this morning we reported that "Pro-Russia Protesters Seize Government Building In East Ukraine, Demand Autonomy." We suggested that this was only the first city in eastern Ukraine that would see this kind of internal revolt. Sure enough, hours later, the largest city in East Ukraine and one located in close proximity to Russia, Kharkiv, also saw its state building fall to what appear to be pro-Russia protesters, making it the third major city after Donetsk and nearby Luhansk. This coordinated and largely unexpected pro-Russian action triggering accusations from the pro-European government in Kiev that President Vladimir Putin was orchestrating "separatist disorder."

From Reuters:

Ukraine's Interior Minister Arsen Avakov accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of being behind the seizure of state buildings by pro-Russia protesters in eastern Ukraine on Sunday and promised that police would restore order peacefully.

He also accused Ukraine's ousted president Viktor Yanukovich of conspiring with Putin to fuel tensions in the region.

Earlier, pro-Russian protesters demanding a referendum on whether to join Russia seized a regional government building in the city of Donetsk and the offices of security services in nearby Luhansk.

"Putin and Yanukovich ordered and paid for the latest wave of separatist disorder in the east of the country. The people who have gathered are not many but they are very aggressive," Avakov said in a statement on his Facebook page.

"The situation will come back under control without bloodshed. That is the order to law enforcement officers, it's true. But the truth is that no one will peacefully tolerate the lawlessness of provocateurs," he said.
As expected, Kiev is scrambling to restore the semblance that it is under control, which as we noted earlier, it isn't:

Acting President Oleksander Turchinov called an emergency meeting of security chiefs in Kiev and took personal control of the situation, the parliamentary press service said.
The problem for Kiev is that suddenly the scramble for a referendum is reminiscent of what happened in Crimea. And everyone knows how that ended. Which means the acting government has to promptly halt the momentum toward sovereign independence or else East Ukraine is about to become a separate country, if not the latest annexation success for Russia.

Around 1,500 people protested in Donetsk on Sunday before breaking into the regional administration building, where they hung a Russian flag from a second-floor balcony, a Reuters witness said. Protesters outside cheered and chanted "Russia! Russia!".

In the Luhansk protest, Ukrainian television said three people had been injured. Police could not confirm the report. Talking to the crowd over a loudspeaker, protest leaders in Donetsk said they wanted regional lawmakers to convene an emergency meeting to discuss a vote on joining Russia like the one in Ukraine's Crimea region that led to its annexation.

"Deputies of the regional council should convene before midnight and take the decision to carry out a referendum," one of the protest leaders said, without identifying himself.

A local Internet portal streamed footage from the seized building, showing people entering and exiting freely. Soviet-era music was being played over loudspeakers outside. The building houses the offices of Serhiy Taruta, a steel baron recently appointed by the interim government in Kiev as governor of a region with close economic and historical ties to Russia.

"Around 1,000 people took part (in the storming of the building), mostly young people with their faces covered," said Ihor Dyomin, a spokesman for Donetsk local police. "Around 100 people are now inside the building and are barricading the building," he added.

But the scariest news came moments ago from the Twitter account of Konstantin Rykov, who reported that the Russian troops in Rostov have just been put on military alert. We have not seen any independent confirmation anywhere else but this would be a very serious escalation in the superficial detente between Russia and the West via its proxy regime in Kiev.

President Putin says Crimea was stolen from Russia, remains an inseparable part of Russia

flip wrote:

President Putin says Crimea was stolen from Russia, remains an inseparable part of Russia

This statement alone tells the personal feelings and aspirations of Putin to restore the USSR.

woodchip wrote:Yes, it is better to let the Russians perform the genocide.

sigma wrote:

woodchip wrote:Yes, it is better to let the Russians perform the genocide.

Sometimes I have the impression that you did not think before you write something..

sigma wrote:

woodchip wrote:Yes, it is better to let the Russians perform the genocide.

Sometimes I have the impression that you did not think before you write something..

sigma wrote:

flip wrote:

President Putin says Crimea was stolen from Russia, remains an inseparable part of Russia

This statement alone tells the personal feelings and aspirations of Putin to restore the USSR.

No, but where were the U.S. and the UN, when the signed contract Bialowieza? When more than 70% of Soviet citizens were against the collapse of the USSR?

callmeslick wrote:

sigma wrote:

flip wrote:

President Putin says Crimea was stolen from Russia, remains an inseparable part of Russia

This statement alone tells the personal feelings and aspirations of Putin to restore the USSR.

No, but where were the U.S. and the UN, when the signed contract Bialowieza? When more than 70% of Soviet citizens were against the collapse of the USSR?

whether your citizens were or weren't against it, you had already doomed it through decades of poor management, and overspending on military junk. I strongly suspect that nowhere near 70% of the occupied satellite state citizens wanted anything to do with the USSR. They clearly showed that by immediately voting to break away from Russia. Most have done rather well since.

sigma wrote:

callmeslick wrote:

sigma wrote:

flip wrote:

President Putin says Crimea was stolen from Russia, remains an inseparable part of Russia

This statement alone tells the personal feelings and aspirations of Putin to restore the USSR.

No, but where were the U.S. and the UN, when the signed contract Bialowieza? When more than 70% of Soviet citizens were against the collapse of the USSR?

whether your citizens were or weren't against it, you had already doomed it through decades of poor management, and overspending on military junk. I strongly suspect that nowhere near 70% of the occupied satellite state citizens wanted anything to do with the USSR. They clearly showed that by immediately voting to break away from Russia. Most have done rather well since.

You do not say ! I did not know this news ! This is what country the former Soviet republics now live well ? Who among them has helped separation from the Russian Federation ?

In my opinion , 23 years of independence only showed clearly that without Russia they would not survive . They are not wanted. European Union Ukraine deceived even in critical situations. And U.S. underdeveloped countries of the CIS in general only as a springboard for placement of NATO bases . Do not tell me . If the U.S. really wanted to help these countries , they would have long since done so. But the only thing the U.S. did was implemented and continue to implement in regions with a predominance of the Muslim faith is Muslim extremism ! The U.S. had a good chance , but time has shown that they are able to only harm the Russian state. U.S. always acts only in their predatory interests.
Please tell me again that this is propaganda !

P.S. In my opinion, this topic is no sense to develop more. You are incompetent, or pretend that you are incompetent.

sigma wrote:Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic have never been part of the USSR.

callmeslick wrote:links to any of those claims, Sigma?

sigma wrote:

callmeslick wrote:links to any of those claims, Sigma?

Where you saw the claims? These are facts. Why are you substituting the concept?

sigma wrote: And what makes you think that the link to the message in the Western press is irrefutable proof-reliability of the information? Ahaha!

sigma wrote:Block of the Warsaw Pact was created to eliminate the threat to attack the USSR and European countries in the post-war conditions.

Which of these countries do you think have been developed after the separation from Russia? Latvian and Estonian men are now engaged in menial jobs in England and Germany, women worked as a governess in Europe, Georgians work as laborers on construction sites in Turkey. And of course, the most common profession Ukrainian men - Repair of apartments in Russia, and women - prostitution in Europe, Turkey, United Arab Emirates and the United States.

woodchip wrote:TC, I'd be more concerned about the EPA than the CIA:

"Watchdog: EPA human test subjects not always told about lethal risks of studies"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04 ... s-studies/

sigma wrote:Willy, has it ever occurred to you that the persistent imposition of American media creation information occasions to discuss the problems the Americans in another Russian, is nothing more than as a substitute for the real problems of America in the minds of American society?...

CUDA wrote:Sure thing. We'll sit back as Putin and Russia annex the Ukraine and just declare "peace in our time" how 1939. and so Neville Chamberlain.

they did teach you who he was in world history, didn't they?

Those that forget their past, are doomed to repeat it.


Putin won't stop with the Ukraine.

sigma wrote:

CUDA wrote:Sure thing. We'll sit back as Putin and Russia annex the Ukraine and just declare "peace in our time" how 1939. and so Neville Chamberlain.

they did teach you who he was in world history, didn't they?

Those that forget their past, are doomed to repeat it.


Putin won't stop with the Ukraine.

You have to wait for the moment when the Russian will be quite not indifferent when the U.S. military will finally be a real threat to the world because of its total dependence on drugs. Then we will find ways to close the traffic channels of hard drugs in the United States military aircraft from Afghanistan and South America to other countries, and of course the United States. And the American public will help us in this. If you're not idiots. If you want to save your nation not only because of the influx of migrants.

CUDA wrote:WTF is he talking about???

Does anyone have a clue???

Does he have a clue????????