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Will Ebola Exterminate Us? wrote:
Russia hasn't done anything except get in the way, belatedly, of Washington's lies that Washington uses to start wars. Russia (and China) went along with Washington's lies about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Russia (and China) went along with Washington's lies that Washington's 13-year attempted conquest and occupation of Afghanistan had to do with finding Osama bin Laden. Washington (and China) fell for Washington's deception that a UN resolution establishing a no-fly zone over Libya was for the purpose of preventing Gaddafi's air force from bombing his own people, only to discover that Washington misused the resolution to send the NATO air force to overthrow the Libyan government.

When Washington drew a "red line" in the sand with regard to the Syrian government's use of chemical weapons against the outside forces that Washington had organized and sent into Syria to overthrow the government, all the while pretending that these Islamists mercenaries were the true spokesmen for democracy in Syria, most of the world knew that Washington was about to organize a chemical attack and blame Assad. When the Washington orchestrated attack happened on schedule, this time Russia and China did not fall for it. And neither did the British Parliament. Washington was unable to produce any evidence for the charges that Washington made and hoped would bring in at least the British to support Washington's military assault on Syria. Russia, however, was able to produce evidence, and the evidence foiled Washington's plot against Syria.

Russia's intervention angered Washington, as did Russia's intervention that blocked Washington's plot to attack Iran. Washington, devoid of all evidence and in contradiction to the reports from the International Atomic Energy Agency from inspectors on the ground in Iran that there was no diversion of uranium from the legal energy program to a weapons program, had Iran set up for attack. Iran was surrounded by about 40 US military bases and two of Washington's fleets off its coast.

But in stepped Russia and worked out a deal, which Washington had to accept, that kept Iranian uranium enrichment at the low level used for energy, a level far below weapons requirements.

Two black marks agains Russia whose government prevented wars that Washington wanted. Russia (and China) were supposed to endorse Washington's lies like the puppet states of Europe, Canada, Australia, and Japan, countries that long ago gave up their sovereignty to Washington.

Unfortunately for Russia, Russia demonstrated that Russia had achieved sufficient power and influence to block Washington's war plans and, thereby, brought into action against Russia the Wolfowitz Doctrine. I have cited this doctrine in recent columns, but you can Google it and read it for yourself.

Wolfowitz Doctrine # Russian Threat wrote:
The doctrine highlighted the possible threat posed by a resurgent Russia.

We continue to recognize that collectively the conventional forces of the states formerly comprising the Soviet Union retain the most military potential in all of Eurasia; and we do not dismiss the risks to stability in Europe from a nationalist backlash in Russia or efforts to reincorporate into Russia the newly independent republics of Ukraine, Belarus, and possibly others....We must, however, be mindful that democratic change in Russia is not irreversible, and that despite its current travails, Russia will remain the strongest military power in Eurasia and the only power in the world with the capability of destroying the United States.

This was removed from the April 16 release in favour of a more diplomatic approach.

The U.S. has a significant stake in promoting democratic consolidation and peaceful relations between Russia, Ukraine and the other republics of the former Soviet Union.

Will Ebola Exterminate Us? wrote:The doctrine is the basis for Washington's foreign policy and declares that the principle goal of Washington's foreign policy is to prevent the rise of any country that could serve as a check on Washington's hegemony over the world. (The doctrine explicitly mentions Russia but also applies to China.)

tunnelcat wrote:Pish. So much hubris, so little paranoia. You are still forgetting that those 2 were transported by plane and vehicle over and on our soil and highways. There's nothing that says that accidents with planes and trucks will never happen. The transport of these 2 infected people to this country was a foolhardy idea at best, and for nefarious reasons at worst.

tunnelcat wrote:Pish. So much hubris, so little paranoia. You are still forgetting that those 2 were transported by plane and vehicle over and on our soil and highways. There's nothing that says that accidents with planes and trucks will never happen. The transport of these 2 infected people to this country was a foolhardy idea at best, and for nefarious reasons at worst. The doctors on TV saying that we've taken all precautions and that positively nothing will happen are so deluded or full of hubris it makes my head spin. Besides, many Ebola infected people have survived in Africa just fine, so that's a very poor reason to move very sick and extremely contagious people. Those 2 people knew their odds when they volunteered to go over there and help, they're doctors after all, so they knew their chances of getting Ebola was pretty high. If you asked either of them if they thought the risks outweighed the gains of bringing them home to U.S soil was a good idea, they would have probably said "no" after seeing how easily this bug could spread over there, even when they tried themselves to NOT get it. The problem is, we're too arrogant for our own good to think clearly sometimes.

This level is required for work with dangerous and exotic agents that pose a high individual risk of aerosol-transmitted laboratory infections, agents which cause severe to fatal disease in humans for which vaccines or other treatments are not available, such as Bolivian and Argentine hemorrhagic fevers, Marburg virus, Ebola virus, Lassa virus, Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever, and various other hemorrhagic diseases. This level is also used for work with agents such as smallpox that are considered dangerous enough to require the additional safety measures, regardless of vaccination availability. When dealing with biological hazards at this level the use of a positive pressure personnel suit, with a segregated air supply, is mandatory. The entrance and exit of a level four biolab will contain multiple showers, a vacuum room, an ultraviolet light room, and other safety precautions designed to destroy all traces of the biohazard. Multiple airlocks are employed and are electronically secured to prevent both doors from opening at the same time. All air and water service going to and coming from a biosafety level 4 (or P4) lab will undergo similar decontamination procedures to eliminate the possibility of an accidental release.

Agents with a close or identical antigenic relationship to biosafety level 4 agents are handled at this level until sufficient data are obtained either to confirm continued work at this level, or to work with them at a lower level.

Members of the laboratory staff have specific and thorough training in handling extremely hazardous infectious agents and they understand the primary and secondary containment functions of the standard and special practices, the containment equipment, and the laboratory design characteristics. They are supervised by qualified scientists who are trained and experienced in working with these agents. Access to the laboratory is strictly controlled by the laboratory director.

The facility is either in a separate building or in a controlled area within a building, which is completely isolated from all other areas of the building. A specific facility operations manual is prepared or adopted. Building protocols for preventing contamination often use negatively pressurized facilities, which, even if compromised, would severely inhibit an outbreak of aerosol pathogens.

Ebola-Reston appeared in a primate research facility in Virginia,
where it may have been transmitted from monkey to monkey through the air. While all Ebola virus species have displayed the ability to be spread through airborne particles (aerosols) under research conditions, this type of spread has not been documented among humans in a real-world setting,such as a hospital or household

Ebola virus was isolated from semen 61 days after onset of illness in a man who was infected in a laboratory.

Spidey wrote:I’m not into the whole Ebola thing, but I do enjoy it when people use the saying…"it can’t happen here” or any of its derivatives…(it hasn’t happened yet, etc)

History has proven it to be wrong…time and time again.

tunnelcat wrote:If either of those planes had crashed in areas where the news doesn't travel so quickly, how long do you think it would take for some EMT, or even an everyday person happening onto the crash site, to come into contact with the bodily fluids of those infected patients?

vision wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:If either of those planes had crashed in areas where the news doesn't travel so quickly, how long do you think it would take for some EMT, or even an everyday person happening onto the crash site, to come into contact with the bodily fluids of those infected patients?

Bwahahahaha. OMG this site is too much. My stomach actually hurts from laughing. Seriously people, get a grip. The "what if" scenarios on E&C are so ridiculous it makes me think you are all insane. Why stop at a plane crashing and an EMT? Why not have the plane disintegrate in mid-air and slice up the patient into tiny bits that fall into a water reservoir next to a soda bottling plant and an orphanage? Better yet, let's have the Illuminati shoot a missile at the plane too.

Jesus Christ people, hahahaha.

Spidey wrote: I don’t think Ebola can infect a water supply.

Spidey wrote:You choose different words than I do…that’s for sure.

But the way I see it is, Ebola touches some primal fear centers in people’s brains, and this causes them to think….errrr…unclearly.

vision wrote:Bwahahahaha. OMG this site is too much. My stomach actually hurts from laughing. Seriously people, get a grip. The "what if" scenarios on E&C are so ridiculous it makes me think you are all insane. Why stop at a plane crashing and an EMT? Why not have the plane disintegrate in mid-air and slice up the patient into tiny bits that fall into a water reservoir next to a soda bottling plant and an orphanage? Better yet, let's have the Illuminati shoot a missile at the plane too.

callmeslick wrote:

I'm thinking of development of higher virulence, airborne transmission, longer incubation or dormant phase, or viable insect vectors. However, the Ebola virus, as currently seen, has NONE of those features,

woodchip wrote:Natural state is much harder to document. Lab testing is what tells researchers whats going on. If air borne transmission occurs in the lab yo can bet your bippy it happens in natural settings. Perhaps you should check your Alma Mater's certifications if you were not taught this.

vision wrote:Bwahahahaha. OMG this site is too much. My stomach actually hurts from laughing. Seriously people, get a grip. The "what if" scenarios on E&C are so ridiculous it makes me think you are all insane. Why stop at a plane crashing and an EMT? Why not have the plane disintegrate in mid-air and slice up the patient into tiny bits that fall into a water reservoir next to a soda bottling plant and an orphanage? Better yet, let's have the Illuminati shoot a missile at the plane too.

Jesus Christ people, hahahaha.

callmeslick wrote:sorry, no such viable evidence in natural settings to date. You don't get some mutagenic effect out of an outbreak. What are you so afraid of, Woody, and what the hell is in any way political about this?

tunnelcat wrote:Remember, those 2 Americans that caught Ebola where covered head to toe in protective suits and had extensive knowledge concerning careful hygiene and Ebola, and they STILL contracted the bug.

tunnelcat wrote:Glad I could be an entertainment, but a possibility is a possibility. Sometimes sh*t happens when all possibilities are not taken into consideration. Not all people think to put on gloves and masks when helping a bleeding accident victim. I didn't think of it when I helped out a person after they'd been in a car accident. They were bleeding too. Remember, those 2 Americans that caught Ebola where covered head to toe in protective suits and had extensive knowledge concerning careful hygiene and Ebola, and they STILL contracted the bug.