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By the way, the Crimea was annexed (returned) to the territory of the Russia by popular referendum population of Crimea with 98% of votes. While, as Hawaii were forcibly captured and annexed to the United States.

...what does that have to do with this thread? Even mentioning Crimea is like throwing a match into a powder keg around here.

Of course, you are not going to discuss the history of Hawaii!

To begin with, why a discussion about history would be necessary at all on a thread about an old Descent fella returning here?

I already knew that the Americans always think of the purity of the content when they do not want to discuss the tough questions. Although other topics does not bother you leap on other topics of discussion.
I am not surprised that American hypocrisy already. If the police would beat Ukraine man, then the US start screaming about human rights abuses. While in America the police brutally suppressed popular indignation, not caring about human rights.
It is always possible to create a new theme from the other, but you do not want to discuss that pricks your eyes.

This just isn't the place for it, Sigma. You're turning a casual, light, friendly topic in the Cafe into Ethics & Commentary. You wouldn't turn dinner conversation at a family get-together to something really dark just for the hell of it and then accuse those you've offended of avoiding the topic, do you? A little respect is all that's being asked for here.

no problem. There really is not a place to discuss such topics.

Also, both Sirius and me are not even from the USA to begin with! (although Sirius is living on there due to his work, AFAIK); So this is not something about some 'Americans' trying to cover something or avoid tough talking, we simply think this is not the place for this completely off-topic stuff, as it's just an innocent thread about an old friend, nothing more, nothing less.

However, feel free to discuss those historical matters on a new E&C topic, I don't think there would be a problem with that.

I almost forgot to say hello to the new noob Hi, Xciter. I hope you will not disappoint me in the D3 and SOLC multiplayer

Who dared to create this topic?!

I did not give my permission to create new topics in my name to anybody!


Can not you just write me a private message, so that we understand each other? If such methods have been used moderators, I can assure you that they do not solve the problem of misunderstanding, and only discredit the administration of the forum, and the whole forum.

Sigma,

Your posts above were in a Café thread, where the topic of Crimea did not belong. Those posts were simply split/moved (not by me) to Ethics & Commentary, where this kind of political discussion belongs.

Foil wrote:Sigma,

Your posts above were in a Café thread, where the topic of Crimea did not belong. Those posts were simply split/moved (not by me) to Ethics & Commentary, where this kind of political discussion belongs.

This is not an excuse to create new themes on behalf of other members of the forum.
The phrase "I think my opinions are on topic in any thread" can be applied to nearly every member of the forum.
I believe that you must admit that you acted too emotionally and correct your mistake.

Again, it was not me. I'm not the one who moved and re-titled the posts.

If you'd like to file a complaint with the administrators, post it in the DBB Feedback section.

I'm a member of the club.

I really prefer to have eggs and bacon for breakfast over pancakes.

[To Sigma's anger: it's one thing for a mod to point out and correct a miss-use of the forum's categories, and with a little bit of critical reading it's mostly possible to tell what words are whose... but on the surface what was done attributes words to Sigma that aren't his, which is a bit abusive - I too would prefer if mods made a point to attribute their insertions to themselves (even if semi-anonymously as "mod"), like Foil does when he makes things red.]

Foil wrote:Again, it was not me. I'm not the one who moved and re-titled the posts.

You want to say that it did the FBI or NSA? Well, it's nice to know that the staff of the security services play in Descent and visit this forum

Foil wrote:If you'd like to file a complaint with the administrators, post it in the DBB Feedback section.

I will not complain to anyone. Just may be the administration of the forum should be a little more respect for the members of the forum.

Sigma, I do not even have the ability to move or re-title posts from the Café. My moderator powers only exist here in E&C.

I don't know who moved and re-titled the posts. It could have been one of the Café moderators, or it might have been an administrator. Either way, if you are going to make a complaint, the place to do so is the DBB Feedback section.

Foil wrote:[mod]The thread title has been edited.[/mod]

Thank you for understanding. However, I insist that it was stated that this topic was created not by me.
Of course, if you have enough influence and power to do so.
In addition, I want to moderator who believes it possible to use a position of responsibility to demonstrate his personal complexes will be issued a stern warning.

foil has Powers? Who knew?

beyond that, no comment on this thread, because anyone who views the 'referendum' in the Crimea as being anything more than forced and coerced by jackbooted thugs too cowardly to show their faces, the license plates on their vehicles or any proper military ID, is insane.

Give sigma the benefit of doubt. Our nation hasn't exactly been a shining example towards the peoples of other lands either. His comment about white man exterminating or repressing native Americans is spot on. The white Europeans who emigrated here committed genocide in order to clear out the natives, all to create their new nation. We always like to sweep that dirty and inconvenient little detail under the rug. They also enslaved people from Africa to run their multitudinous New World colony's economies. Even Puerto Rico and quite a few South Pacific Island nations don't exactly like us for our "annexations" of their islands as not-quite-US-citizens-commonwealths, or past abuses of the land because of our nuclear testing either. So those who live in glass houses should not be throwing stones, especially us.

Look, I drew a parallel between the Crimea and Hawaii, as an example of what Russia annexed the Crimea at the request of its citizens, while Hawaii was forced to join the US and the opinions of the Hawaiians were not asked whether they want to be part of the US or not.
This topic is generally that should be called "[Split from Café]Hawaii".

sigma wrote:Look, I drew a parallel between the Crimea and Hawaii, as an example of what Russia annexed the Crimea at the request of its citizens, while Hawaii was forced to join the US and the opinions of the Hawaiians were not asked whether they want to be part of the US or not.
This topic is generally that should be called "[Split from Café]Hawaii".

The reason is, once you make comments that deal with politics, it automatically becomes commentary and ethics.

tunnelcat wrote:

sigma wrote:Look, I drew a parallel between the Crimea and Hawaii, as an example of what Russia annexed the Crimea at the request of its citizens, while Hawaii was forced to join the US and the opinions of the Hawaiians were not asked whether they want to be part of the US or not.
This topic is generally that should be called "[Split from Café]Hawaii".

The reason is, once you make comments that deal with politics, it automatically becomes commentary and ethics.

OK

Especially around here. Some people tend to get very opinionated when their nationhood is being questioned, especially by a Russian. I wouldn't take insult sigma, it's all part of the game. Just keep on commenting. If something gets moved into another section, it's OK, people will follow. By the way, it's nice to hear the opinions of other people from other nations. We do tend to get insular in the U.S.

I am ready to go to a reasonable compromise. At least, this topic should be renamed as "[Split from Café] Crimea&Hawaii".
And necessarily indicate the actual author who create this topic because I did not create this topic.
I will require it every day until I will achieve the result.

Just go edit the first post in the thread. You can change the title as desired.

This should be corrected to those who blame

I'm closing this. If you have something to say about the way you were moderated, then start a thread in the Feedback Forum. If anyone wants to actually discuss Crimea and/or Hawaii, then feel free to start a new thread.