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The next time someone says the U.S. has the best and most professional medical system in the world, let them listen to these morons. Not only were they talking trash about the patient while he was under anesthesia, they put entries in his medical record that were not true.

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morons. I hope the patient recovered fully, and enjoys spending these clowns' money.

What has this to do with the medical profession as a whole?

First, the mis-diagnosis part is a problem and should be upheld.

The defamation part: I don't know. I guess surgery blurs the lines between private speech and public speech - but I don't think their trash talking is particularly criminal, it's just in poor taste.

woodchip wrote:What has this to do with the medical profession as a whole?

very fair point. You beat me to it.

woodchip wrote:What has this to do with the medical profession as a whole?

This apparently happens in operating rooms and procedure centers quite a bit according to my retired sister-in-law anesthesiologist. It's not uncommon. But where this affects the medical profession is that patients who are already uncomfortable with a relative stranger (the doctors in a hospital, some of which you've never meet but receive that expensive bill from after surgery or a procedure) getting to view that naked patient's body like it's some private porn flick and making snide comments about it during surgery and now having to worry about it. Remember, this episode was during a colonoscopy. Very invasive and private. How many people do you think will decide against this life saving procedure after hearing about this type of unprofessional behavior going on when they're not awake? I know this makes me think twice about having the procedure if the typical doctor is going to routinely make nasty comments about me while I'm asleep. These are not professionals I would trust. They're just a bunch of juvenile a**holes who haven't grown up.

tunnelcat wrote:

woodchip wrote:What has this to do with the medical profession as a whole?

This apparently happens in operating rooms and procedure centers quite a bit according to my retired sister-in-law anesthesiologist. It's not uncommon. But where this affects the medical profession is that patients who are already uncomfortable with a relative stranger (the doctors in a hospital, some of which you've never meet but receive that expensive bill from after surgery or a procedure) getting to view that naked patient's body like it's some private porn flick and making snide comments about it during surgery and now having to worry about it. Remember, this episode was during a colonoscopy. Very invasive and private. How many people do you think will decide against this life saving procedure after hearing about this type of unprofessional behavior going on when they're not awake? I know this makes me think twice about having the procedure if the typical doctor is going to routinely make nasty comments about me while I'm asleep. These are not professionals I would trust. They're just a bunch of juvenile a**holes who haven't grown up.

Just opt for a FIT test, problem solved

I bet you'd have second thoughts if the doc or nurse make a few sexual comments during your next prostate exam.

tunnelcat wrote:I bet you'd have second thoughts if the doc or nurse make a few sexual comments during your next prostate exam.

In my case the comments would be one of awe and wonderment.

Why would you need to be asleep during a colonoscopy?

Some people don't want to be awake during the procedure because they're afraid that they might experience discomfort or pain. It also depends on the doctor and whether they like to have a compliant and relaxed patient. I'm betting the guy in the lawsuit asked a lot of questions about pain and decided to be put to sleep. The doctors obviously took exception and were callous afterwards. But nowadays when they're doing a colonoscopy and they happen to find a polyp or something they think might be cancerous, they will go ahead and take it out while they're already in there doing the procedure and that might produce pain. Saves time I guess, but it shows up as an extra surprise charge on the patient's bill. So in other words, you go in for the procedure expecting one charge and come out with a lot more of a charge.

http://www.cancer.org/healthy/findcance ... moidoscopy

woodchip wrote:In my case the comments would be one of awe and wonderment.

Uh huh. I'm guessing this would only with a female doctor in your case.

tunnelcat wrote:

woodchip wrote:In my case the comments would be one of awe and wonderment.

Uh huh. I'm guessing this would only with a female doctor in your case.

Well a gay guy doctor might also

Spidey wrote:Why would you need to be asleep during a colonoscopy?

would you want to be awake for one?

*holy cripes that's cold!! It's going up HOW far??*

Considering the additional risk of anesthesia for a procedure that may cause a little discomfort…

pretty sure there's a reason behind anesthetic for a colonoscopy.

Yea it’s called profit.

“According to a study published in the March 20, 2012, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), the use of full anesthesia for colonoscopies is adding $1.1 billion annually to medical costs.”

I just had this discussion with my doctor, due to my age, and we went over the options. The most commonly used is conscious sedation, not general anesthesia. Hell you can even opt to have it done with no sedation whatsoever.

But yea, there are some cases where the doctor will recommend it, or even require it for health reasons, and there are plenty of patients that choose it, but in general it is optional.

no. I don't think it has to do with just making a profit, but rather it's making sure you don't clench up and tear your own sphincter.

There is another risk with having a colonoscopy. The endoscope tube part that goes into the body is made of a flexible material with a lot of small joints and it cannot be sterilized by heat. It has to be visually cleaned by hand with chemicals by someone with the the time and patience to thoroughly do a good job. There is a risk of getting Hep C and HIV just because some lowly tech cleaning the equipment happened to miss a spot in some recess of the tool because he or she was in a hurry. The way our system works for profit, cleaning is likely to be shorted for time and money, so thanks but no thanks.