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The military (!) Alliance NATO did not hide that their real mission is not a military threat from Russia, and the promotion of economic interests of the U.S. and their European retinue, which the U.S. called them "allies", with the help of NATO armies.

The draft says NATO governments should provide “comprehensive support” to the Ukrainian government and seek to weaken Russia’s economic leverage by reducing Europe’s reliance on Russian oil and gas.

http://www.nato-pa.int/Default.asp?CAT2 ... RTCUT=3993

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that's true. So what's Putin's excuse for meddling in Syria?

tunnelcat wrote: So what's Putin's excuse for meddling in Syria?

Rhetorical question.
I strongly encourage you to read not only the American press, but also the views of the publications that are in the center of events, but are not under the control of the US State Department. For example, http://sputniknews.com/ or other independent information resources, if you do not like Russian news agency reported.

Let me rephrase the question sigma. Why are EITHER of our countries fighting over there? Our reasons are no better or worse than your reasons. Personally, I have no reason to dislike Russians either. These proxy wars are costly, pointless, destructive and make a whole lot of enemies we don't want or need to deal with later on.

tunnelcat wrote:Let me rephrase the question sigma. Why are EITHER of our countries fighting over there? Our reasons are no better or worse than your reasons. Personally, I have no reason to dislike Russians either. These proxy wars are costly, pointless, destructive and make a whole lot of enemies we don't want or need to deal with later on.

I don't want to comment on that, because I will start cussing. Not blame you personally, as you know.

sigma wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:Let me rephrase the question sigma. Why are EITHER of our countries fighting over there? Our reasons are no better or worse than your reasons. Personally, I have no reason to dislike Russians either. These proxy wars are costly, pointless, destructive and make a whole lot of enemies we don't want or need to deal with later on.

I don't want to comment on that, because I will start cussing. Not blame you personally, as you know.

Why cuss at all? Who are you that mad at?

Please give me your reasons.

I'm only asking if you're mad at something I said and what was it specifically, or are you just mad the U.S. and NATO in general, which I already know.

Dear Tunnelcat, I'm not mad at you, because I understand perfectly well that you just difficult to find the truth in an endless stream of lies of the American press, which pursues only one goal - to any means to support the national ideology of hatred to Russia. This ideology allows any crimes of American politicians against the peoples of the world constantly justify the so-called "national security", the mythical "Russian threat", "special mission of the American nation for the protection and promotion of American democracy" (very similar to the idea of radical communism, Nazism or radical Islam for the protection and promotion of the Caliphate worldwide), regularly turning the facts upside down, just to show Russia and other countries as enemies of the American nation.
My childhood was spent in the Soviet Union, and I know very well that represented in those days of Soviet propaganda in the Soviet press. And you know, in the last ten years, when I read the American press, I can't shake the feeling that I'm reading the American version of the Soviet press. Today the United States with NATO like a hypertrophied mutation radical communist social system. I'm angry that the Americans talk so much about the inadmissibility of tyrannical regimes in other countries, although in fact the US is itself a striking example of a totalitarian tyrannical regime on a global scale.

Here's why in the link below, if it translates properly. Most Americans don't realize that Eisnhower's prediction has come true and taken over our government and our military. The military has become a giant war machine. We now go to war for profit, although the press says it's for more nationalist reasons, which most people would rather hear instead of the real reason, that we're making HUGE profits off of the daily death and destruction around the world. Russia is still our biggest profit generator, although we've created many more new enemies in the Middle East. We're continually making more enemies than we've destroyed and now we'll be fighting endless wars over everything imaginable, because it's all for the almighty Gods of death we worship, money and profit, and our system now demands it to be that way in perpetuity.

Wise words. Indeed, the most expensive in the world is stupidity: precisely because for it will have to pay the most highest price.

Americans are generally good people and I'm sure Russians are good people too. We still misunderstand each other however. Our old fears from the past old Soviet days keep creating new animosities between our countries. I can only hope that clear heads will prevail over aggression, on both sides, because it takes 2 leaders to make war, no matter who starts it. The U.S. and Russia are 2 of the largest and most powerful nations on earth, besides China. But with great power should come responsibility, restraint and reason.

I say let Putin fight for Assad and Syria. It'll be interesting to see what happens over time, because we sure haven't had much luck winning the hearts and minds of the people over there and I seriously doubt Russia will have any better luck either". We're ALL infidels to every Muslim person who lives in the Middle East.

Cat, from your lips to God's ears...

sigma wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:Let me rephrase the question sigma. Why are EITHER of our countries fighting over there? Our reasons are no better or worse than your reasons. Personally, I have no reason to dislike Russians either. These proxy wars are costly, pointless, destructive and make a whole lot of enemies we don't want or need to deal with later on.

I don't want to comment on that, because I will start cussing. Not blame you personally, as you know.

I'm waiting for sigma to take his shoe off and start hitting his desk top with it.

woody, I'll say one thing. You're consistent.

woodchip, ))))))))))

It seems that NATO is trying to turn the European Union into a second Syria. The wisdom of American and European politicians has no boundaries I've seen a lot of idiots, but such never before... http://www.wsj.com/articles/nato-looks- ... 1446050987
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