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Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:43 pm
by Nightshade
NBC News reporter Ayman Mohyeldin was corrected on-air yesterday after a live report that implied a Palestinian terrorist who charged at officers brandishing a knife didn’t have a weapon on him.

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Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:59 am
by woodchip
Only guns are dangerous weapons so no need to report something as innocuous as a kitchen knife. I'm surprised he was corrected.

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:16 am
by Flabby Chick
Knives are not dangerous?

The subtle (and in this case, not so subtle) bias spewing from foreign media over the past two weeks has been shocking, though not very surprising. I'm reaching the point where i'm past caring, to be honest.

Below is a clip of an Israeli using, to quote the state departments John Kirby...excessive force to stop an attacker. I would love to see how Americans would handle a similar situation.
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Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:31 am
by Spidey
Damn, where's a good guy with a gun when you need one. :P

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:49 am
by woodchip
Slick thinks a cop will magically appear to save you. And flabby, my tongue was planted firmly in cheek for my prior post

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:07 am
by Flabby Chick
Yea, sorry about that woody, i've just been seeing a lot of people actually meaning it. I overreacted a bit.

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:16 pm
by callmeslick
let's see, you subjugate people with no path out of subjugation for decades. You violate their privacy in their own homes for decades. You build 'settlements' on their property. Then, they seem upset to the point of wishing to kill you all. What a surprise. As the old saying goes, you reap what you sow, and Flabby, Israel has sown some REALLY dangerous seeds.

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:45 pm
by Spidey
Yea…that sounds like a reasonable excuse for the bias in media.

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:16 pm
by callmeslick
:roll:

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:04 pm
by Spidey
Oh I get it, you weren’t addressing the OP, you were just using the opportunity to take a shot…

I knew that. :wink:

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:13 pm
by callmeslick
Spidey wrote:Oh I get it, you weren’t addressing the OP, you were just using the opportunity to take a shot…

I knew that. :wink:
no, I was responding to Flabby,and the point of how an American would view a similar attack to the one the video showed. I pointed out where: 1) I can't see where anyone in Israel is taken by surprise and 2) given the track record of prior decades, why shouldn't an anti-Israeli bias start to build up in some quarters.
As to the knife v gun v rock v substantial eggplant matter.....all can be 'weapons'. I just don't view the semantic imperfections in the reports as anywhere near to the significance of the reality on the ground......and, my reading of Flabby's post seems to indicate some common ground there.

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:44 pm
by Ferno
Flabby Chick wrote:I would love to see how Americans would handle a similar situation.
They'd probably wind up dead if the knife attacker is within 30 feet.

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:43 am
by woodchip
Ferno wrote:
Flabby Chick wrote:I would love to see how Americans would handle a similar situation.
They'd probably wind up dead if the knife attacker is within 30 feet.
Yeah as the attacker would go to a gun free zone before he started stabbing.

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:17 am
by Ferno
hahahaha. no.

Tell me something. When joe average gets a gun, does he A) go to a firing range and shoot while standing still, or B) goes and trains under stressful and chaotic conditions, like police officers and new recruits?

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:40 pm
by woodchip
I'd say a lot of people don't even go to the range after they buy a pistol for home protection, those that do stand still and shoot. However those who get a CPL wind up joining organizations like the IDPA, ADSI, or the NRA's competitive shooting division.

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:49 pm
by Ferno
Exactly. So it stands to reason that those who get a license to carry don't deal with stressful situations (and I watched some of the defensive shooting competitions) at all. It's all controlled and gives a false sense of security.

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:09 am
by woodchip
Ferno, like any competition, adrenaline kicks in and the heart rate increases...much like a real life incident. Is it exactly the same? No, but it does get you to learn how to handle the stress better and it gets you familiar as to how to use your firearm under different types of scenarios.

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:12 am
by woodchip
I want you all to look at FC's vid and notice how many times the attacker gets up after being shot. For those of you who think you only have to shoot once to wound a attacker to stop him, FC's vid clearly shows the fallacy of that belief.

Re: Don't believe your lying EYES!

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:10 am
by Ferno
woodchip wrote:I want you all to look at FC's vid and notice how many times the attacker gets up after being shot. For those of you who think you only have to shoot once to wound a attacker to stop him, FC's vid clearly shows the fallacy of that belief.
"two in the chest, one in the head"