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WNU Editor: What's my take on yesterday's massacre .... we have a devout Muslim who travelled to Saudi Arabia, was apparently in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, kept to himself (but according to the neighbours had a lot of late night visitors), and was living the "American dream" while having a great job that bent every-way possible to accommodate his beliefs (Muslim holidays, Hajj trip, going home numerous times a the day to pray .... with pay, etc ) .... nothing wrong so far .... we have a devout family man, wife and baby .... though I am jealous of the job that he had.

But out of the blue he decides to storm a Christmas party and kill scores of his fellow workers .... some who had recently given his wife a baby-shower. And after being killed (with his wife who was a willing accomplice) we then discover that in his home he had 11 IEDs, 12 pipebombs, a "garage factory" to make more IEDs and pipe-bombs, an arsenal of weapons, body armour, bullets, etc. .... hmmmm .... this certainly does not look like workplace violence to me. But according to the mainstream media and government officials .... the line that is being spawned is that no one still understands the motive for this couple to commit yesterday's massacre. But this doubt is not stopping some who are now blaming Republicans for the massacre .... Democrats to GOP: Prayers are not enough (Politico) .... which I admit is completely incomprehensible to me.

Bottom line .... yesterday's attack was done by a couple who were radicalised .... and they armed themselves to even include IEDs and pipe-bombs. They made a decision ... probably a long time ago .... to launch such an attack .... and circumstances were such that they exploded yesterday. This was/is not work-place violence .... this is premeditated with a goal to cause mass mayhem and murder. In short .... a terror attack.

Ferno wrote:How'd I know you'd post this... STRAIGHT to the muslim card.

Nightshade wrote:

Ferno wrote:How'd I know you'd post this... STRAIGHT to the muslim card.

Because...truth?

Ferno wrote:because: jumping to conclusions. and bigotry.

Nightshade wrote:Apologize all you want for islam Ferno. They still want to kill you.

Ferno wrote:How'd I know you'd post this... STRAIGHT to the muslim card.

Vander wrote:I'm not sure why this can't be islamic terrorism and workplace violence.

Vander wrote:I'm not sure why this can't be islamic terrorism and workplace violence. They were obviously planning something, but was it this? This doesn't seem highly planned or choreographed. They didn't seem overly suicidal, or at least, dying didn't appear to be part of whatever plan they did have. A lot of it looks spontaneous. At the very least, there are some oddities that support multiple motives.

Ferno wrote:How'd I know you'd post this... STRAIGHT to the muslim card.

Ferno wrote:the former is a planet-sized stretch; the only thing connecting the two is the name -- but the latter is a lot more reasonable

woodchip wrote:spontaneous? Lets see, the guy wipes his hard drive etc, they make pipe bombs, the woman drops her kid off at relatives, they both don body armor. Yup, sure sounds spontaneous to me.

woodchip wrote:Um...no one said all Muslims. OTOH, tell me again how well we can vet people coming in from Syria when ISIS has already said they are planting their own people in the immigrant mix.

Vander wrote:Ambiguous oddities tailored more toward the individual perpetrators than some global doctrine being followed.

ThunderBunny wrote:The global doctrine being advanced is jihad in the name of islam. It doesn't matter if it's 'spontaneous' or not.

Vander wrote:

Ferno wrote:the former is a planet-sized stretch; the only thing connecting the two is the name -- but the latter is a lot more reasonable

I don't think it's any kind of stretch to call this islamic terrorism. They were at the very least planning an attack. Whether or not this was the actual target of that planning is what I'm curious about.