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Too damn bad it isn’t actually socialism that is paying the bills in these great socialist democracies.

They should try some real socialism some time.

Spidey wrote:Too damn bad it isn’t actually socialism that is paying the bills in these great socialist democracies.

They should try some real socialism some time.

um, yes it is. Clearly, you missed some stuff in that article. They exercise fiscal restraint, and the whole point of the article is to say that despite oil funds on hand, they run the system so well as to not need to dip into them. Who do YOU suggest is paying the bills?

Still promoting that old dinosaur Sanders I see.

woodchip wrote:Still promoting that old dinosaur Sanders I see.

This coming from a former McCain supporter...

That was only because Palin was so visually appealing

LOl, after actually reading that link, it sounds more like fiscal conservatism than socialism.

So these capitalist countries are using socialism in their names to avoid the truth that they are actually capitalist democracies with a welfare state, and not actually socialist.

And I won’t mention the term you should actually be using is … “social democracy” not democrat socialism. To qualify as “democratic socialism” you must have a socialist economic system, not a capitalist economic system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

“Ultimately democratic socialists believe that reforms aimed at addressing the economic contradictions of capitalism will only cause more problems to emerge elsewhere in the economy, so that capitalism can never be sufficiently "humanized" and must ultimately be replaced by socialism”

Spidey wrote:LOl, after actually reading that link, it sounds more like fiscal conservatism than socialism.

that's my point. One can have both. That is exactly what some have been saying, and moreover, the kinds of models we should, as a nation be considering, if indeed the long-term economic health of the nation is a priority along with social safety nets and such.

So these capitalist countries are using socialism in their names to avoid the truth that they are actually capitalist democracies with a welfare state, and not actually socialist.

that is sort of the essence of Social Democrat thinking.

And I won’t mention the term you should actually be using is … “social democracy” not democrat socialism. To qualify as “democratic socialism” you must have a socialist economic system, not a capitalist economic system.

yes, it gets garbled, especially in current times. For instance, Sanders is a pure social democrat, not a 'democratic socialist'.