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It's finally sinking in
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:39 am
by woodchip
One school district looks like it realizes gun free zones don't work:
Officials at an Oklahoma school district said they wanted to send a clear warning to protect against potential attacks, so they put up signs on Monday alerting that staff members could be carrying guns.
Here in MI it may soon be if you have a conceal carry license, you will be allowed to carry in schools.
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:22 am
by callmeslick
sheer idiocy, but I'd expect no less from Oklahoma.
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:07 am
by woodchip
And I say it is sheer idiocy to claim your school to be gun free and thus but a giant target on every students head. We'll have to see how well their system and signs work. BTW since when are Oklahoma school administrators any worse than say, PA school administrators? Give one instance of where having signs saying the school was a gun free zone kept a would be killer away.
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:43 am
by callmeslick
I have zero issue with gun-free, with adequate safety(metal detectors, video surveillance, controlled access), because the idea of ANYONE carrying inside a school counteracts the entire learning atmosphere. The idea that schools are EVER going to be common targets is ludicrous. What happens in gun apologists like yourself, and the media as a whole, tend to create an air of paranoia. In some quarters, that is conscious, as an attempt to smokescreen the nation taking a REAL close look at how folks get their hands onto guns so easily, and fixing that problem.
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:37 pm
by Spidey
Yea, I’m sure metal detectors, locked doors and being watched on camera won’t cause any air of paranoia.
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:50 pm
by callmeslick
Spidey wrote:Yea, I’m sure metal detectors, locked doors and being watched on camera won’t cause any air of paranoia.
well, I was suggesting the cameras OUTSIDE and would certainly not prefer to have the other parts, but one compromises. In my case, far short of armed idiots loose in the schools. And yes, I think anyone interested, as a civilian, in carrying a concealed weapon into a school is an 'armed idiot'.
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:16 pm
by woodchip
And I believe anyone who would not be armed in the school is the real idiot. Or perhaps you thought it was OK to sacrifice the Sandy Hook students to your God of Sheepness.
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:35 pm
by Foil
As someone who actually taught at an urban school in OKC, I'll throw in my two cents:
I don't have a problem with arming school staff conceptually.
(Though I am skeptical about the motive, as this seems to be more a political point than any well-thought-out plan).
However, given my experience in the OKC school district, I would have one major hesitation:
* Training (or, in my time there, the lack thereof) the staff in proper usage, and particularly in prevention of situations where students manage to get the firearm.
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:21 pm
by Ferno
exactly foil.
without training, two things are likely to happen. the firearm is removed from the teachers' posession, or the teacher ends up hitting a bystander instead of the intended target. Maybe both.
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:47 am
by woodchip
Ferno, your assumption is invalid as any teachers allowed to carry would have to undergo training...and not every teacher would be obligated to carry.
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:41 pm
by Top Gun
As a teacher myself, this is ★■◆●ing ludicrous.
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:37 pm
by Ferno
woodchip wrote:Ferno, your assumption is invalid as any teachers allowed to carry would have to undergo training...and not every teacher would be obligated to carry.
how do you know that?
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 6:14 pm
by woodchip
Because every report on schools considering arming teachers/staff I have read all talk about the training and requirements.
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:09 pm
by Ferno
woodchip wrote:Because every report on schools considering arming teachers/staff I have read all talk about the training and requirements.
Let's see them.
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 7:51 am
by woodchip
However, members of the Association of American Educators, the largest national, non-union professional teacher association in the United States, expressed mixed feelings on safety and gun issues. The results of a poll conducted in February 2014 found 61 percent of those responding supported a proposed policy in Arkansas that would allow educators access to a locked concealed firearm after a training course.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigati ... om-n208946
Alabama HB 404
specifically allows Franklin County to authorize the formation of volunteer emergency forces at public schools in the county,
consisting of current and retired school employees and local citizens. Schools must work with the sheriff on the approval of the volunteers, the creation of a detailed school crisis plan,
and the training of such volunteers. The plan must also specify how and where weapons may be stored
and carried by emergency security force members and the circumstances under which certain weapons may be used.
Eachlocal school board oversees such forces.
South Dakota HB 1087
authorizes school boards to create, establish, and supervise the
arming of school employees, hired security personnel, or volunteers as “school sentinels.”
The school board must develop corresponding policies and receive approval from law enforcement that has jurisdiction over the school premises
to create and implement such a program. School sentinels must complete board-approved training and any additional requirements to serve as a sentinel and to
carry a firearm on school property. The establishment of a school sentinel program may be put to a vote in the school district.
https://csgjusticecenter.org/wp-content ... -Brief.pdf
Satisfied? Or did you think every teacher would somehow be required to carry in class whether they were able to use a firearm or not?
Re: It's finally sinking in
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:45 pm
by Ferno
woodchip wrote:Satisfied? Or did you think every teacher would somehow be required to carry in class whether they were able to use a firearm or not?
Well, you met the burden of proof, so yes. I am.
Let's just hope things don't go sideways.