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I don't represent people...
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:11 pm
by Nightshade
...so says a democrat "superdelegate."
@D_Born @BernieSanders Super delegates don't "represent people" I'm not elected by anyone. I'll do what I think is right for the country
— Howard Dean (@GovHowardDean) March 5, 2016
Re: I don't represent people...
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:23 pm
by Spidey
If I told you I understood why primaries are set up like they are…I would be lying.
Re: I don't represent people...
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:58 pm
by Foil
Wacky primary rules are intended to try to prevent bad situations, but they can just as often cause them or cause other issues.
Here's an example, done by a reputable analytical group:
"Donald Trump would be easy to stop under Democratic rules"
Re: I don't represent people...
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:48 pm
by callmeslick
right you are, Foil. The Dem rules were designed to prevent certain situations, which, frankly, I've never seen arise before. Generally, the vast bulk of the superdelegates follow the lead of the voters, but, as the article noted, it makes stopping someone like Trump easy, if the party leadership deems it is in the best interest of the party. Remember, when you hear people whine about, 'that isn't democratic' that the primary process was never really such. It is a party function. The General is another case, although it is potentially rigged via the Electoral College.
Re: I don't represent people...
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:12 pm
by Tunnelcat
Hmm. Maybe the Republicans need to adopt those same Democratic rules in order to keep out someone like Trump next time. Too late now though. The Trump monster has been unleashed.
Re: I don't represent people...
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:16 pm
by Spidey
Well, you have to keep in mind that delegates are not required by law* to vote for anybody, so the Republicans still have a way out, it’s just a little riskier.
* so to speak
Re: I don't represent people...
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:19 pm
by Tunnelcat
Spidey wrote:Well, you have to keep in mind that delegates are not required by law* to vote for anybody, so the Republicans still have a way out, it’s just a little riskier.
* so to speak
The way "out" would probably start an outright revolt right now if woody's position on Trump is any indication.
Re: I don't represent people...
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:23 pm
by Spidey
Yea, that's kinda the way things are headed.
Re: I don't represent people...
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:32 pm
by Tunnelcat
Ya know, I'd love to watch a contested Republican Convention. It would make things
very interesting for once.
Re: I don't represent people...
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:35 pm
by callmeslick
I'm not as sure as I was even a week back that Cruz can make a real run. I certainly don't see Rubio going anywhere, nor Kasich. Trump may well be able to waltz to the nomination. I figure the GOP establishment will give him lip service, and pivot towards trying to save Senate seats. A couple recent polls suggest that they are very likely to lose the Senate.
Re: I don't represent people...
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:45 pm
by woodchip
Polls also indicate Trump takes Ohio and Florida
Re: I don't represent people...
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:52 pm
by Nightshade
woodchip wrote:Polls also indicate Trump takes Ohio and Florida
That much closer to a Hillary Clinton presidency.
Re: I don't represent people...
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:42 pm
by Tunnelcat
I don't think that she's a shoe-in for the presidency NS. The polls say she is, but I think they're dead wrong. She doesn't excite the Dem base as much as Trump does the Repub base.
Re: I don't represent people...
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:25 pm
by callmeslick
she also doesn't turn off a big chunk of her base to the extremes I am hearing from old Republican pals. In other words, I think the Dems would see more 'hold my nose' voters than the GOP, and the vast middle is apparently NOT willing to see Trump win, unless polls shift radically(60 percent negatives aren't just from Dems).