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No, not a post about Trump statements being recruitment tools for ISIS. Rather the reverse. I wonder if ISIS has thought their killings in Paris and Brussels are in fact a recruitment tool for Trump. If they continue these attacks, especially if they successfully carry out attacks in America, Trump will be a shoe in. If they were smart they'd hold off until after Novembers elections to see if spineless Crazy Bernie or Hillary Clinton gets in office. If so then they can pour their troops into America disguised as poor immigrant Syrians and create all sorts of havoc.

The bad guys are rarely that smart.

But I think a major attack in the US could open the door to a brokered convention where the Republicans could offer up a hawkish figure as an alternative to Trump and avoid the backlash.

What they're getting in Brussels is the rise of the Fascist Extremists, which is what we'll get here if that same thinking keeps on growing unfettered. Is that what people here want now? That Nazi crap all over again, this time on our shores? We fought one huge world war to stop that same hateful thinking, why tolerate it here fer crying out loud? Haven't we learned anything from the past, a past hate that so many fought and died to destroy between 1941 to 45?

Spidey wrote:But I think a major attack in the US could open the door to a brokered convention where the Republicans could offer up a hawkish figure as an alternative to Trump and avoid the backlash.

Unfortunately, I think that person would still lose to Mrs Clinton. She's much more hawkish that I'm comfortable with.

tunnelcat wrote:What they're getting in Brussels is the rise of the Fascist Extremists, which is what we'll get here if that same thinking keeps on growing unfettered. Is that what people here want now? That Nazi crap all over again, this time on our shores? We fought one huge world war to stop that same hateful thinking, why tolerate it here fer crying out loud? Haven't we learned anything from the past, a past hate that so many fought and died to destroy between 1941 to 45?

"villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well-camouflaged. She, or someone like her, will always be with us. Waiting for the right climate in which to flourish, spreading fear in the name of righteousness."

tunnelcat wrote:What they're getting in Brussels is the rise of the Fascist Extremists, which is what we'll get here if that same thinking keeps on growing unfettered. Is that what people here want now? That Nazi crap all over again, this time on our shores? We fought one huge world war to stop that same hateful thinking, why tolerate it here fer crying out loud? Haven't we learned anything from the past, a past hate that so many fought and died to destroy between 1941 to 45?

Prior to Hitlers rise, the Jews were not bombing things and thus made people fearful of them. Economics and financial reparations that held Germany in thrall was the real culprit. Making the Jews a target was just just making them a convenient scapegoat. Today we have a entirely different scenario. One where liberal govts. have invited in people who are killing their citizens. If the countries took more action to prevent the atrocities, perhaps we would see less right wing extremism.

Funny the last couple of times I was at the gun club I belong to, just about everyone I talked to was practicing because they could see the possibilities that Muslim extremism would become more evident here. These people were not right wing skin heads but everyday folk concerned the direction the govt. was going. So in short, you don't want to see the rise of the far right here, I suggest you call up your representative and voice your concern.

woodchip wrote:One where liberal govts. have invited in people who are killing their citizens.

Hey, I recognize that line of thought. I think I saw it in a history book entry that was dated around 1938.

Showing your ignorance again Ferny? Or perhaps you care to link something to bolster your knee jerk statement. A real intellectual would do more than than post such a useless reply.

Woody, that has to be one of the most idiotic rewrites of history I've ever seen. Sure, the Jews served as scapegoats, but every bit as much as immigrants are being scapegoated by the pro-Trump neo-nazis. Sure the nature of what each group was/is blamed with is different(the Jews, economic subterfuge, immigrants raping, pillaging, terrorist acts) but in both cases the blame is utterly bogus. Oh, and then you ask Ferno for a 'link' to bolster his disagreement to your completely unsubstantiated opinion. What was that about intellectual integrity again?

Yes, Trump recruits tools.

Ya know what's funny about Fascists woody? They STILL hate the Jews and they STILL preach anti-Semitism, everywhere around the world. It's so old and revolting it should be out of fashion. It's probably because they don't want to listen that Jews are NOT the world's problem, even after the genocide and torture of millions of Jewish people before and during WWII. Fascism was big in Hungary, Poland and Romania too, years before Hitler invaded those countries. Jews, or even people who had Jewish sounding names, were pushed out of their homes, beaten and robbed of their possessions by the growing numbers of Fascists gangs emboldened by the rise of Hitler. Even after the war, Jews who moved to the U.S. changed their names to avoid the lingering stigma. It's the Fascists who have a BIG problem and it's called HATE. Muslims are just another convenient punching bag to rile up simple minded people to join their cause. But the number one platform these guys stand on is still hatred of the Jews. History's lessons are never learned, only rewritten to fit someone's same old worldview.

A whole bunch of universities just recently had hate printings full of anti-Semitic rantings sent right to their printers by a hacker and notorious anti-Semite and White Supremacist. It happened here at OSU and at universities all around the country. Don't tell me that poverty, economic adversity or even liberal policies drives these guys to do what they do and spout what they spout, because it doesn't. They thrive on hate and vilifying others they don't like.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/0 ... ic-flyers/

http://www.cbs58.com/story/31568743/ant ... n-printers

woodchip wrote:Showing your ignorance again Ferny? Or perhaps you care to link something to bolster your knee jerk statement. A real intellectual would do more than than post such a useless reply.

link to something to support it? Are you putting me on? Yeah, I got something to support it and I don't need the internet for this one. It's the period between 1939-1945.

Go down to the local library and read a history book. your quip ticks all the boxes. Appeal to nationalism, demonizing a section of the populace...

where do you think that was used? HUH?

A real intellectual would do more than/SNIP

Not going to fall for your no-true-scotsman fallacy; and with your track record, you don't get to use those words.

Ferny, the problem you and slick have is understanding the whys. The jews were a hated religion long before WW2. Muslims OTOH, were not disliked here prior to the 90's. There was no hate rhetoric against them here in the states or even in Europe. The hate and fear of Muslims has slowly been creeping upward since 9/11. Now your statement:

Hey, I recognize that line of thought. I think I saw it in a history book entry that was dated around 1938.

was in reply to my statement:

One where liberal govts. have invited in people who are killing their citizens.

So you read in a history book that liberal govts were inviting in groups of people that were killing their citizens? I suggest you either learn to read better or try to flesh out your replies better because as it stands you sound like a ignoramus.

And slick, just what did I re-write. The part of economic reparations from Germany to the winners of WW1? And those reparations putting Germany in a economic slumps that Hitler used for his rise to power? I wonder who is trying to re-write history.

you re-wrote the approach that was taken to deal with such problems.
Oh, and I'll see how this discussion progresses(if, indeed it does) when I return from the beach.

callmeslick wrote:you re-wrote the approach that was taken to deal with such problems.
Oh, and I'll see how this discussion progresses(if, indeed it does) when I return from the beach.

I guess you'll have to do a better job of explain as I didn't write anything about how they dealt with the problem.