DescentBB

...may have just happened.

Trump loses Wisconsin...and by quite a margin.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/electi ... i_gop.html

I don't understand by Trump supporters don't know that Trump represents everything they hate in the establishment. He's a RINO for crying out loud...

(And a big ugly misogynistic democrat plant RINO at that.)

This is the problem you're facing:

Amid fierce clashes between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, one out of three Republicans voting in Wisconsin said they would abandon the party if either candidate is the ultimate nominee, according to early results from the NBC News Exit Poll.

If you get to a contested convention and Trump doesn't get the nomination, you're going to have a lot of disaffected voters that may exit the process. Probably the same if Cruz doesn't get the nod, though I suspect a lot of his support is "Not Trump," and will hang in there with someone other than Trump. And if neither get the nomination, you'll have a likely establishment candidate forced on voters who have overwhelmingly spurned establishment candidates.

The GOP is a mess.

Vander wrote:And if neither get the nomination, you'll have a likely establishment candidate forced on voters who have overwhelmingly spurned establishment candidates.

Bring back Jeb! (I'm mostly serious). I wish more people would get behind Kasich, he can probably pull from the center fairly well. Add the center votes to the "Not Hillary" votes and you might have a contest, especially if Mrs. Clinton continues to under-perform. There is a good chance that, assuming she gets the nomination, huge chunks of the Democratic Party base doesn't show up. I feel like Kasich/Clinton match-up would be interesting against a backdrop of unprecedented voter apathy. How shitty would it be to elect the first woman president to historically low voter turn out? I could happen!

Vander wrote:
If you get to a contested convention and Trump doesn't get the nomination, you're going to have a lot of disaffected voters that may exit the process. Probably the same if Cruz doesn't get the nod, though I suspect a lot of his support is "Not Trump," and will hang in there with someone other than Trump. And if neither get the nomination, you'll have a likely establishment candidate forced on voters who have overwhelmingly spurned establishment candidates.

The GOP is a mess.

I'm hoping Cruz is the man that comes out on top after all is said and done. He's a real conservative and the best man for the job of the presidency.

If Trump goes third party and gives the election to Hillary, so be it. The idiots that support Trump will have to learn the hard way that a vote for Trump = a vote for Hillary.

if Cruz gets the nod, the Dems win easily(see Vanders observation, those numbers were shocking). If Trump wins, the Dems win easily. Stellar field there, GOP!!!!

Just as stellar as a crook and a crazy.

maybe the 'crazy' guy isn't.......

Nightshade wrote:He's a real conservative and the best man for the job of the presidency.

Yeah, Trump scares me because he's a buffoon, but Cruz scares me because he believes the sh!t he says. That's why I figured Cruz was well positioned between Trump's batsh!t and the pragmatism of actual governance. If he weren't such an unlikable jerk, Trump would probably already be out of the race.

Vander wrote:This is the problem you're facing:

Amid fierce clashes between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, one out of three Republicans voting in Wisconsin said they would abandon the party if either candidate is the ultimate nominee, according to early results from the NBC News Exit Poll.

If you get to a contested convention and Trump doesn't get the nomination, you're going to have a lot of disaffected voters that may exit the process. Probably the same if Cruz doesn't get the nod, though I suspect a lot of his support is "Not Trump," and will hang in there with someone other than Trump. And if neither get the nomination, you'll have a likely establishment candidate forced on voters who have overwhelmingly spurned establishment candidates.

The GOP is a mess.

Not just the GOP. Bernie proletariat are saying they won't vote for Hillary if Hillary Clinton wins the primaries.

She probably didn't help Trump one little bit. Can Palin even speak a coherent sentence in English?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... y-bizarre/

Vander wrote:

Nightshade wrote:He's a real conservative and the best man for the job of the presidency.

Yeah, Trump scares me because he's a buffoon, but Cruz scares me because he believes the sh!t he says. That's why I figured Cruz was well positioned between Trump's batsh!t and the pragmatism of actual governance. If he weren't such an unlikable jerk, Trump would probably already be out of the race.

What? Because Cruz believes in the constitution and the rule of law?

Those two things 'trump' his supposedly loony Christian beliefs.

Nightshade wrote:What? Because Cruz believes in the constitution and the rule of law?

Those two things 'trump' his supposedly loony Christian beliefs.

actually, his loony beliefs and how he would impose them upon all of us belie the fact he has any interest in the actual Constitution as written or intended.

I love how smart people can “conveniently” forget how our government works, and what each branch has the power to do.

Spidey wrote:I love how smart people can “conveniently” forget how our government works, and what each branch has the power to do.

not sure all that many people grasp the flexible nature of 'how our government works' and that sort of allows for an ebb and flow of dominance by one branch, and the diminishment of the other two. Frankly, since at least FDR, we've largely seen the ascendancy of the Executive branch, with a very brief pullback during Ford and then Carter. Right now, you are sitting in the prime positon for Presidential dominance: the Legislative branch seems utterly incapable of accomplishing anything. Hell, they can barely get proclamations passed. Then, with Scalia's passing, you have an 8 member SCOTUS that has to walk on legal eggshells in order to avoid a mass of decisions from lower courts upheld due to ties.

But you have to admit, most of what FDR did went thru the Congress.

Don’t get me wrong tho…the Congress can ★■◆● on the constitution with the best of them.

Spidey wrote:But you have to admit, most of what FDR did went thru the Congress.

Don’t get me wrong tho…the Congress can **** on the constitution with the best of them.

right, FDR was a turning point, and the progression since him has been for an ever-stronger Executive branch.

callmeslick wrote:right, FDR was a turning point, and the progression since him has been for an ever-stronger Executive branch.

Agreed. Our president seems to be elected based on his veto power more than anything these days.

woodchip wrote:Not just the GOP.

No doubt, but the size and scope are quite different.