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Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 9:15 am
by woodchip
So Face book tries to keep their users clueless:
Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conservative News
http://gizmodo.com/former-facebook-work ... 1775461006

So tell me, why do you lefties feel the need to hide what is going on in the world?

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 10:45 am
by callmeslick
then, how come my news feed seems to locate plenty of conservative news and views? I'm smelling serious BS there.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 11:12 am
by Ferno
suppressed? If that's true, why am I seeing a sarah palin story right now?

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 11:58 am
by callmeslick
that's punishment, not supression, Ferno.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 12:37 pm
by Spidey
Sounds like something the show Politically Incorrect used to do.

That being only allowing the batshit crazy Republicans on the show, and juxtapositioning them with very reasonable liberal guests.

And always having two liberals one moderate and one batshit crazy Republican, to create the idea that liberal thought and opinion was in the majority. (and Republicans were crazy)

I don’t know, I’m not even caring at this point, but it sounds like there could be something similar going on.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 12:41 pm
by callmeslick
....or not, given the general level of disconnect from reality on the right in recent years.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 12:47 pm
by Spidey
Sure…and then someone takes the opportunity to amplify that.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 1:46 pm
by vision
Where is the show with the reasonable conservatives and the batshit crazy liberal?

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 2:59 pm
by woodchip
vision wrote:Where is the show with the reasonable conservatives and the batshit crazy liberal?
Exactly.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 5:18 pm
by vision
woodchip wrote:
vision wrote:Where is the show with the reasonable conservatives and the batshit crazy liberal?
Exactly.
You miss the point. Clearly there is a market for that kind of show. Why haven't the Conservatives made one? And for that matter, why is it that all the popular tech "liberal?" Where are the conservatives with the good and/or useful inventions?

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 5:50 pm
by Ferno
woodchip wrote:
vision wrote:Where is the show with the reasonable conservatives and the batshit crazy liberal?
Exactly.
and another joke goes over your head.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 7:42 pm
by Nightshade
vision wrote:Where is the show with the reasonable conservatives and the **** crazy liberal?
It's called the Michael Medved show. It's on radio. ;)

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 6:09 am
by woodchip
vision wrote:
woodchip wrote:
vision wrote:Where is the show with the reasonable conservatives and the batshit crazy liberal?
Exactly.
You miss the point. Clearly there is a market for that kind of show. Why haven't the Conservatives made one? And for that matter, why is it that all the popular tech "liberal?" Where are the conservatives with the good and/or useful inventions?
All popular tech is liberal? Now that's a stretch.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 1:56 pm
by vision
woodchip wrote:All popular tech is liberal? Now that's a stretch.
But isn't that the complaint from the Right? "Mainstream Media" is a bunch of liberals? Facebook, Google, Microsoft and General Electric (MSNBC), major ISPs, all the auto and airplane manufactures, etc... These places are constantly accused of being politically correct towards the Left.

If I am to believe what I read, the United States has about half it's population leaning Right. So how is it possible that all these people are being suppressed? Aren't any of them business savvy enough to make equal impacts on the country?

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:21 pm
by Spidey
Heh, I have never heard the auto makers being accused of being politically correct.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 5:06 am
by woodchip
Seems the Senate is now looking into this:

http://gizmodo.com/senate-gop-launches- ... 1775767018

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 5:31 am
by callmeslick
I'm hardly surprised at that news, Woody, as they've spent the last 7 plus years on stupid ideological 'investigations'.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:38 am
by Ferno
another manufactoversy.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 1:07 pm
by Vander
I don't use Facebook, so I don't really have any idea of how they curate news or the results of that curation. I can see a few reasons I wouldn't have any issue with this. For example, if the mechanism is based on "Likes" or some other crowd sourced metric, results can be skewed if the crowd is more conservative. More conservatives using or being active on Facebook would only generate and reinforce a bubble. I generally don't like enforced topical balance in news coverage, but I don't think crowd sourcing topics is any sort of cure.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 1:18 pm
by Spidey
But the issue really has nothing to do with algorithms or something that can make conservative stories not show up in the section for this or that reason.

This has to do with deliberate acts by employees.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 1:31 pm
by Vander
Spidey wrote:This has to do with deliberate acts by employees.
Well.. yeah. I'm saying it's not necessarily a bad thing these people are curating what the algorithm burps up.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 1:38 pm
by woodchip
If you depend on getting your news from facebook you should not be allowed to vote

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 1:54 pm
by Vander
woodchip wrote:If you depend on getting your news from facebook you should not be allowed to vote
Not allowing people to vote sure does seem to be a recurring theme for you guys. :)

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 4:03 pm
by Top Gun
I can think of someone much closer to home whom I'd happily remove that right from first.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 4:10 pm
by Ferno
woodchip wrote:If you depend on getting your news from facebook you should not be allowed to vote
brilliant idea. That way, only a select few with money can vote. Because you know, that's never led to anything bad, ever.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 5:06 pm
by Spidey
Sarcasm...what a concept...look it up.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 5:10 pm
by woodchip
Ferno wrote:
woodchip wrote:If you depend on getting your news from facebook you should not be allowed to vote
brilliant idea. That way, only a select few with money can vote. Because you know, that's never led to anything bad, ever.
You do know at the start of this country only land owners could vote and women couldn't. Seems nothing bad happened then.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 5:19 pm
by Krom
Who knew the Civil War was "nothing bad"...

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 5:21 pm
by woodchip
And those same voters got Lincoln elected now didn't they.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 5:25 pm
by callmeslick
woodchip wrote:You do know at the start of this country only land owners could vote and women couldn't. Seems nothing bad happened then.
many of us, descended from the early landed gentry still reminisce about those 'good old days'. Luckily, they had enough time to essentially write the rules to favor wealthy males ever since.

Anyhow, you do know, as late as 1912, one need not be a citizen, but merely a legal resident of the US to vote? Seems not that much bad came of that, either, eh?

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 5:26 pm
by callmeslick
and, until they progressed past the Dauguerotype and Tintypes, the idea of a photo ID never occurred to anyone either.

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 6:02 pm
by Ferno
woodchip wrote:You do know at the start of this country only land owners could vote and women couldn't. Seems nothing bad happened then.
and yet again, the sarcasm flies right over your head.

Nothing bad happened. Right. Did you fail history?

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 6:31 pm
by woodchip
callmeslick wrote:
woodchip wrote:You do know at the start of this country only land owners could vote and women couldn't. Seems nothing bad happened then.
many of us, descended from the early landed gentry still reminisce about those 'good old days'. Luckily, they had enough time to essentially write the rules to favor wealthy males ever since.

Anyhow, you do know, as late as 1912, one need not be a citizen, but merely a legal resident of the US to vote? Seems not that much bad came of that, either, eh?
Only in some states and from what I read, those non-citizens had to declare their intent to become a citizen. So what was your point in making that statement? That illegal people in this country could vote?

Re: Treating their users like Mushrooms

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 7:44 pm
by callmeslick
stuff DOES go over your head a lot, doesn't it? My point was that the rules have evolved, overall the 'system' or framework has remained intact. Clearly, it was designed to change with the nature of the nation, and yes, good and bad things have happened. To our nation's credit, we have frequently learned from the bad stuff and addressed it. Thus, for you to state the original setup and extrapolate is no more valid than choosing any time along the way and doing so. Nothing deeper about 'illegals' or whatever else you'd like to fantasize about.