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bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:00 pm
by Nightshade
Free speech? Dissent? Democrats don't want you to have it.
A landmark California bill gaining steam would make it illegal to engage in climate-change dissent, clearing the way for lawsuits against fossil-fuel companies, think-tanks and others that have “deceived or misled the public on the risks of climate change.”
The first-of-its-kind legislation — Senate Bill 1161, or the California Climate Science Truth and Accountability Act of 2016 — is scheduled for floor action Thursday after clearing Senate committees in April and May.
The measure would allow state and local prosecutors to pursue claims against climate-change skepticism as a violation of the state’s Unfair Competition Law [UCL], as well as extend the four-year statute of limitations for such claims retroactively to Jan. 1, 2021.
“This bill explicitly authorizes district attorneys and the Attorney General to pursue UCL claims alleging that a business or organization has directly or indirectly engaged in unfair competition with respect to scientific evidence regarding the existence, extent, or current or future impacts of anthropogenic induced climate change,” says the state Senate Rules Committee’s floor analysis.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -skeptics/
So... The 1st...the 2nd and many other parts of the Constitution of the United States are now being destroyed by the "democratic" party.
Does anyone care?
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:14 pm
by Tunnelcat
Yep, that bill has gone a little too far into the Twilight Zone. My guess is if it passes, it eventually won't pass Constitutional muster and SCOTUS.
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:47 pm
by Ferno
lawsuits against fossil-fuel companies, think-tanks and others that have “deceived or misled the public on the risks of climate change.”
Wilful misrepresentation and intentionally misleading the public has always been illegal.
Misleading headline notwithstanding, this development is just a logical step forward.
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:53 pm
by Nightshade
Ferno wrote:
Misleading headline notwithstanding, this development is just a logical step forward.
Yes...forward into an Orwellian nightmare. (Or is it the left's wet dream? Probably both.)
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:36 pm
by Spidey
Problem is…there is misleading information from both sides, so logically any law should address the problem from both sides…otherwise you can see the obvious political bias, like the back of your hand.
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:55 pm
by Vander
As far as I can tell from reading the
bill, this doesn't make climate denial illegal. Rather, it extends the statute of limitations for existing unfair competition laws with specific regard to climate change.
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:33 pm
by Ferno
Vander wrote:As far as I can tell from reading the
bill, this doesn't make climate denial illegal. Rather, it extends the statute of limitations for existing unfair competition laws with specific regard to climate change.
Correct. That's how I interpret it aswell.
Sorry spidey. the evidence supporting what the "sceptics" use is about as thin as a razor blade, and the arguments they use is well... a house of cards.
Nightshade wrote:
Yes...forward into an Orwellian nightmare. (Or is it the left's wet dream? Probably both.)
yes, that's it. you've discovered our sinister plot -- to take your money. mwahahaha.
Do I need to post
that video again?
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:08 am
by Spidey
Ferno wrote:Sorry spidey. the evidence supporting what the "sceptics" use is about as thin as a razor blade, and the arguments they use is well... a house of cards.
And that somehow proves there is no misinformation from both sides.
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:53 am
by Vander
'Both sides do it' is usually a cop out used to obscure or minimize both the differing scale to which 'both sides do it' and the relative consequences of either side ‘doing it.’
But hey, both sides do it.
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:36 pm
by Spidey
Not my intention at all, simply pointing out an obvious bias, which is ok when it comes to politics, but not when it comes to law.
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:59 pm
by callmeslick
any of y'all gotten around to seeing what actual level of support rises to the writers' definition of 'gaining steam' in the legislature, or how minuscule a chance this goofy piece of garbage has of even getting out of committee, let alone passing both Houses and being signed into law?
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:59 pm
by Ferno
Spidey wrote:Ferno wrote:Sorry spidey. the evidence supporting what the "sceptics" use is about as thin as a razor blade, and the arguments they use is well... a house of cards.
And that somehow proves there is no misinformation from both sides.
When one side says "we can prove it" and the other says "It's a conspiracy!", it puts that notion to bed.
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:10 pm
by callmeslick
Ferno's correct: the facts do tend to sort out far more to one side........
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:19 pm
by Spidey
I agree, but that is not the point.
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:08 pm
by Ferno
Spidey wrote:I agree, but that is not the point.
your point is that both sides spread misinformation. The evidence shows that one side spreads misinformation, and the other shows fact. Like I said earlier -- that's a house of cards.
your secondary point is protections should be made to punish those who spread misinformation. Nothing wrong with that, and the bill is extending penalties to those who do.
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:04 am
by woodchip
So the new age Inquisitions begin. Perhaps the skeptics will be publicly burned at the stake to show others that arguing with the Borg collective is Futile. I'm sure a new golden age of science is dawning.
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:53 am
by callmeslick
woodchip wrote:So the new age Inquisitions begin. Perhaps the skeptics will be publicly burned at the stake to show others that arguing with the Borg collective is Futile. I'm sure a new golden age of science is dawning.
big fan of the pillory myself.......
seriously, I return to my earlier point. Given the absolutely absent chance this proposed bill will ever go anywhere, why get worked up over the matter?
Re: bill would allow prosecution of climate-change skeptics
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:20 am
by Ferno
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