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I won't be watching the debate. I will be self-medicating, though.

I might be watching the debate for the sole reason and the possibility of watching trump having a massive meltdown.

The schadenfreude will be palpable

MD-1118 wrote:I won't be watching the debate. I will be self-medicating, though.

you have a fine set of priorities.

you know, I sort of take the view when I read in here and some other fora or FB threads, that no one's about to change his/her mind at this point unless there is a truly massive gaffe or such.............then, I make the mistake of studying up. I was waiting for my long-suffering spouse to have a dental consult this morning and was reading in the waiting room. There was a poll in the paper around the debate. Nationwide, something like 28% or so of all voters who plan on watching the debates say they COULD be swayed. Now, to backtrack when I was working on campaigns(Biden, Specter, Obama, etc) the watchword for all hands at the end of the campaign is pulling in what were called persuadables. You made sure your hardcore support was id'd and marched to the polls, but then focused pitch calling to identified persuadables, who usually only ran 4-5 percent by October. This seems to indicate a massive pool, especially if the debate outcomes aren't clearcut(which they seldom are in this age of spin). Given the stark nature of the choices, color me shocked. I suppose it speaks to the overall weakness of all the candidates, but from a sheer political geek perspective, I'll betcha some folks in both major camps are pulling their hairs out. I wonder if the same vacillation is occurring, in downballot races. I suspect not.

So glad I put aside some time for this. This is great.

Now that it's over, I can sum it up in one word: predictable.

Ferno wrote:I might be watching the debate for the sole reason and the possibility of watching trump having a massive meltdown.

The schadenfreude will be palpable

I watched it and boy did he BOMB! All that sniffing, microphone leaning, face twisting, fidgeting and dry mouth water sipping made him look like a nervous first time plebe who didn't bother to even study the material. If there was any question about Hillary's stamina, it was put to rest tonight. As much as I hate to admit it, Hillary looked presidential. Anybody want to make a wager that Trump will skip the next 2 debates?

Yes, the robot with the plastic smile definitely defeated the fidgety fool.

callmeslick wrote:...no one's about to change his/her mind at this point ...

Hey, guess what? I changed my mind. I really warmed up to Mrs Clinton after watching the debate. I feel like I can vote for her comfortably. She was unflappable.

you guys noticed how many times trump interrupted, or tried to interrupt everyone there?

Like watching a bad interpretation of Zoidberg.

Yes. Trump is the perfect fool.

you know his night didn't go well when Team Trump had to reassure all the media that yes, the Orange buffoon would show up for round 2. That whole evening was akin to watching a gleeful child whack a pinata. Three things in particular absolutely KILLED Trump last night:

1. The response to her attack about insulting women. He should have run away, talked about his kids or about kittens or anything, but no. He goes on a rant inferring that his words toward Rosie O Donnell were acceptable, and then whining about both her, and Hillarys political ads that 'weren't nice'. Hint, the actual job you are running for gets a LOT harder than that.

2. The split screen. For 90 minutes, she was unflappable(no surprise to any that watched her at hearings), he was a visible wreck. He was sweating, grabbing for water like a lifeline, coughing, snorting, gasping and altogether destroying any illusion he created of her being weak or ill.


3. 100 million people watched it. He should have prayed that they moved the debate to 3 am.

callmeslick wrote:you know his night didn't go well when Team Trump had to reassure all the media that yes, the Orange buffoon would show up for round 2. That whole evening was akin to watching a gleeful child whack a pinata. Three things in particular absolutely KILLED Trump last night:

1. The response to her attack about insulting women. He should have run away, talked about his kids or about kittens or anything, but no. He goes on a rant inferring that his words toward Rosie O Donnell were acceptable, and then whining about both her, and Hillarys political ads that 'weren't nice'. Hint, the actual job you are running for gets a LOT harder than that.

Rosie deserved everything he said as it was in response to what she said about him

callmeslick wrote:2. The split screen. For 90 minutes, she was unflappable(no surprise to any that watched her at hearings), he was a visible wreck. He was sweating, grabbing for water like a lifeline, coughing, snorting, gasping and altogether destroying any illusion he created of her being weak or ill.

I thought the drinking of water was a subtle jab at Clinton as she doesn't drink water to the point she passes out. Her sickly smile when being attacked said it all. Good thing she has top of the line dentures.

callmeslick wrote:3. 100 million people watched it. He should have prayed that they moved the debate to 3 am.

Time poll, Trump won poll 53 to Clintons 47%, CNBC poll Trump 66% to her measly 34%. So tell me again why he should pray?

woodchip wrote:Rosie deserved everything he said as it was in response to what she said about him

said as a middle aged male. You see, the candidates have a job in these things. Part of his was to stop insulting women and thinking it is ok. It is NOT, especially in the eyes of women voters. So, no, Rosie did not deserve to be called a pig, nor did the beauty contestant(who'll I will bet makes a public appearance in 3,2,1......). Pure lose for Trump. As I said,he should have deflected, because a deflection would have served him far better than what degenerated into whining about how mean people are to him.

I thought the drinking of water was a subtle jab at Clinton as she doesn't drink water to the point she passes out. Her sickly smile when being attacked said it all. Good thing she has top of the line dentures.

he looked BAD. Get over it. More alarming, I'm sure, for his team, he looked both petualant and out of control. Moreover, he clearly wore down as the debate wore on. If his narrative was supposed to be that he was the one most vigorous(not that I find vigor to be a core value), he put the lie to it in front of 100,000,000 voters.

Time poll, Trump won poll 53 to Clintons 47%, CNBC poll Trump 66% to her measly 34%. So tell me again why he should pray?

I'll assume you've never worked on a campaign. Those polls are all call-in type polls, and the campaigns when needed call up their people to respond. The only poll I've read that contacted a normal range of polling volunteers(CNN, 900 voters), had Clinton winning 62-20. As I said, 100 million people watched that, so overnight polling means nothing. I will near guarantee, no, hell, I'll guarantee that last night won him nearly ZERO new votes. Likely didn't lose his supporters, as you are witness to, as they are fact resistant. But, I suspect she both shored up shaky support and won over independants to some extent, which was her target going in.

Yeah, I guess you could say she won by simply not fainting..

when, by comparison, he grew feebler and more short-tempered as the night wore on, that is pretty much correct, Woody, in terms of killing the bogus narrative his surrogates spent a month trying to paint.

To call Rosie O Donnell a pig, is an insult to pigs everywhere.

final insult to the clearly unprepared Trump campaign? You know how he kept bellowing about 'go to my website'?
Well, last night, folks could have feasted on this bounty of information:

callmeslick wrote:when, by comparison, he grew feebler and more short-tempered as the night wore on, that is pretty much correct, Woody, in terms of killing the bogus narrative his surrogates spent a month trying to paint.

What I noticed that at the end he refrained from bringing up all the the things that Hillary did to screw women over. Though he may regret that as Crazy Bernie regretted not bringing up Clintons emails.

when this is making the rounds, your candidate didn't have a good night.

woodchip wrote:What I noticed that at the end he refrained from bringing up all the the things that Hillary did to screw women over. Though he may regret that as Crazy Bernie regretted not bringing up Clintons emails.

oh, hell, he missed about 10 clear chances to make his points, whether one agrees with them or not. That is called NOT PREPARING, and if he can't prepare for a freaking debate, how is he supposed to do the job he's running for?

“She mind screwed him from the beginning by mentioning the loan from his father,” said Rob Stutzman, a GOP operative in California. “That was brilliant psychological warfare on her part. He slowly unwound from there, culminating in borderline incoherency over the final 30 minutes.”

My favorite part was his rant about "temperament" being his best trait.

Vander wrote:My favorite part was his rant about "temperament" being his best trait.

I think that was around where Howard Dean posted his little snark about Trump's 'debate prep'(....consisting of 4 lines of coke). It was an otherworldly thing to see, honest to pete. Here he is, out of control, been that way for several minutes and sputtering about his own temperment. Unreal.

There's a decent mix of politics and temperaments where I work, yet to a person everyone around the lunch table was talking about what a ★■◆●ing buffoon Trump was. Hell, he made Nixon's debate performances against Kennedy seem palatable.

Spidey wrote:Yes, the robot with the plastic smile definitely defeated the fidgety fool.

Better than looking at a pissed off, not prepared, arrogant, sniveling slimebag. And Trump DID answer a question last night we've all had for months, by flapping his gums in a fit of boastful irritation. He doesn't pay any taxes, because he's "smart". I seriously doubt all the hard working tax paying people of America appreciate his rich businessman tax con game, legal or not.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-p ... es-n655261

if we can presume that he manages to utter ANYTHING that isn't a lie, he's been audited by the IRS for 15 years of records. If his taxes are legal, they sure are dancing on the edge to get that amount of scrutiny, because the feds are paying a crapload for such a major audit.

Is it true that he implied during the debate that audits are a normal, everyday thing? Because holy lulz.

Some fact checks for both Clinton and Trump.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/debate-fact-c ... ories.html

I like this one a little better.

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/26/495115346 ... ial-debate

callmeslick wrote:who's joining me?

Perhaps, I am ready to support you on any of your request or the reason, but not this one.

since you chose to chime in, Sigma, let me ask you: in that paradise of openness and freedom, I presume any Russian had access to unedited, fully translated footage of the entire debate, as was available in most of the rest of the world. Is that correct?

callmeslick wrote:since you chose to chime in, Sigma, let me ask you: in that paradise of openness and freedom, I presume any Russian had access to unedited, fully translated footage of the entire debate, as was available in most of the rest of the world. Is that correct?

This is a direct link to the website of The New Yorker. What could be the editing? Here are a couple of links, what write about it in Russia, if that's what you mean.

http://ren.tv/novosti/2016-08-17/v-ssha ... ri-klinton
http://www.bbc.com/russian/features-37211378

Although frankly, this is more interested journalists and politicians, ordinary people do not worry about it. At least in conversations, as far as I know, in the best case, this topic is of interest to 0.01% of the population of Russia.

tunnelcat wrote:
Better than looking at a pissed off, not prepared, arrogant, sniveling slimebag. And Trump DID answer a question last night we've all had for months, by flapping his gums in a fit of boastful irritation. He doesn't pay any taxes, because he's "smart". I seriously doubt all the hard working tax paying people of America appreciate his rich businessman tax con game, legal or not.

And did you call slick any names when he bragged how he paid no taxes on his inheritance?

woodchip wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:
Better than looking at a pissed off, not prepared, arrogant, sniveling slimebag. And Trump DID answer a question last night we've all had for months, by flapping his gums in a fit of boastful irritation. He doesn't pay any taxes, because he's "smart". I seriously doubt all the hard working tax paying people of America appreciate his rich businessman tax con game, legal or not.

And did you call slick any names when he bragged how he paid no taxes on his inheritance?

not that I remember, but then again, I was decrying the reality. Not, for instance, bragging that I was 'smart'. Kind of a big difference, but that sort of obvious fact doesn't really matter to you,now does it?

sigma wrote:

callmeslick wrote:since you chose to chime in, Sigma, let me ask you: in that paradise of openness and freedom, I presume any Russian had access to unedited, fully translated footage of the entire debate, as was available in most of the rest of the world. Is that correct?

This is a direct link to the website of The New Yorker. What could be the editing? Here are a couple of links, what write about it in Russia, if that's what you mean.

http://ren.tv/novosti/2016-08-17/v-ssha ... ri-klinton
http://www.bbc.com/russian/features-37211378

Although frankly, this is more interested journalists and politicians, ordinary people do not worry about it. At least in conversations, as far as I know, in the best case, this topic is of interest to 0.01% of the population of Russia.

ok, thanks. That sort of thing gets wondered about here, it's good that you get some unfiltered access.

callmeslick wrote:

woodchip wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:
Better than looking at a pissed off, not prepared, arrogant, sniveling slimebag. And Trump DID answer a question last night we've all had for months, by flapping his gums in a fit of boastful irritation. He doesn't pay any taxes, because he's "smart". I seriously doubt all the hard working tax paying people of America appreciate his rich businessman tax con game, legal or not.

And did you call slick any names when he bragged how he paid no taxes on his inheritance?

not that I remember, but then again, I was decrying the reality. Not, for instance, bragging that I was 'smart'. Kind of a big difference, but that sort of obvious fact doesn't really matter to you,now does it?

Oh get off it slick, you chortled the whole thread about how "rich" people don't pay taxes by doing things in a certain manner. You're no different than Trump...like being compared to him?

bull★■◆●^^^

callmeslick wrote:... it's good that you get some unfiltered access.

I wish the same for you =)

alas, available but underutilized.