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why would Russia wish to control Trump?

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:40 am
by callmeslick
here, Woody, take a crack at this list, which I borrowed: Now, much of this is founded upon an assumption, which can easily be cleared up by releasing tax returns and other pertinent financials like every other elected official. The rest is documented, with some sourcing listed at the end.

Reposting this:
The Trump team claims that Putin is scared of Trump. Scared of Trump? That's a laugh. It's the other way around. From: Jeff Severson (I didn't write this)
Here are some facts : Decide for yourselves
1) Trump owes Blackstone/ Bayrock group $560 million dollars (one of his largest debtors and the primary reason he won't reveal his tax returns)
2) Blackstone is owned wholly by Russian billionaires, who owe their position to Putin and have made billions from their work with the Russian government.
3) Other companies that have borrowed from Blackstone have claimed that owing money to them is like owing to the Russian mob and while you owe them, they own you for many favors.
4) The Russian economy is badly faltering under the weight of its over-dependence on raw materials which as you know have plummeted in the last 2 years leaving the Russian economy scrambling to pay its debts.
5) Russia has an impetus to influence our election to ensure the per barrel oil prices are above $65 ( they are currently hovering around $50)
6) Russia can't affordably get at 80% of its oil rehserves and reduce its per barrel cost to compete with America at $45 or Saudi Arabia at $39. With Iranian sanctions being lifted Russia will find another inexpensive competitor increasing production and pushing Russia further down the list of suppliers.
As for Iranian sanctions, the 6 countries lifting them allowing Iran to collect on the billions it is owed for pumping oil but not being paid for it. These billions Iran can only get if the Iranian nuclear deal is signed. Trump spoke of ending the deals which would cause oil sales sanctions to be reimposed, which would make Russian oil more competitive.
7) Rex Tillerson (Trump's pick for Secretary of State) is the head of ExxonMobil, which is in possession of patented technology that could help Putin extract 45% more oil at a significant cost savings to Russia, helping Putin put money in the Russian coffers to help reconstitute its military and finally afford to mass produce the new and improved systems that it had invented before the Russian economy had slowed so much.
8) Putin cannot get access to these new cost saving technologies OR outside oil field development money, due to US sanctions on Russia, because of its involvement in Ukrainian civil war.
9) Look for Trump to end sanctions on Russia and to back out of the Iranian nuclear deal, to help Russia rebuild its economy, strengthen Putin and make Tillerson and Trump even richer, thus allowing Trump to satisfy his creditors at Blackstone.
10) With Trump's fabricated hatred of NATO and the U.N., the Russian military reconstituted, the threat to the Baltic states is real. Russia retaking their access to the Baltic Sea from Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia and threatening the shipping of millions of cubic feet of natural gas to lower Europe from Scandinavia, allowing Russia to make a good case for its oil and gas being piped into eastern Europe.
Sources: Time Magazine, NY Times, The Atlantic, The Guardian UK

Re: why would Russia wish to control Trump?

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:30 am
by woodchip
Sorry no linky no laundy

Re: why would Russia wish to control Trump?

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:14 pm
by callmeslick
you shouldn't need a link to find out. Tax returns answer at least half of those questions.

Re: why would Russia wish to control Trump?

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:15 pm
by woodchip
You posted, you link...that's what you tell me.

Re: why would Russia wish to control Trump?

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:22 pm
by callmeslick
sources are listed at the bottom. Not going to link to what would be 20 different pieces of data. Suit yourself, I'll let others judge, and you are one funny soul calling me lazy for not looking up your 13 year old posts........ This is all pretty readily available.

Re: why would Russia wish to control Trump?

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:28 pm
by Tunnelcat
Well, here's what Obama is currently doing under the table. Think Trump will "remove" those tanks to appease Putin once he's pres.? :wink:


Re: why would Russia wish to control Trump?

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:37 pm
by woodchip
Depends on what Putin wants to exchange. Unlike Obama and the Iranian deal, Trump won't give away something for nothing. This Putin knows.

Re: why would Russia wish to control Trump?

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:40 pm
by Tunnelcat
I'll bet Putin wants those tanks to leave. If Trump does that, would you be OK with that woody?

Re: why would Russia wish to control Trump?

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:13 pm
by callmeslick
woodchip wrote:Depends on what Putin wants to exchange. Unlike Obama and the Iranian deal, Trump won't give away something for nothing. This Putin knows.
you don't get it, do you? There is going to be no exchange. Blackmail doesn't work that way. Trump doesn't die like the guy in London or others, and, lucky him, he gets Secret Service protection until he's impeached or convicted.

Re: why would Russia wish to control Trump?

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:19 pm
by woodchip
callmeslick wrote:
woodchip wrote:Depends on what Putin wants to exchange. Unlike Obama and the Iranian deal, Trump won't give away something for nothing. This Putin knows.
you don't get it, do you? There is going to be no exchange. Blackmail doesn't work that way. Trump doesn't die like the guy in London or others, and, lucky him, he gets Secret Service protection until he's impeached or convicted.
what the feck are you babbling about now?

Re: why would Russia wish to control Trump?

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:31 pm
by Tunnelcat
callmeslick wrote:you don't get it, do you? There is going to be no exchange. Blackmail doesn't work that way. Trump doesn't die like the guy in London or others, and, lucky him, he gets Secret Service protection until he's impeached or convicted.
What? The Secret Service isn't good enough for Mr. Trump? He may need the double protection the way he's going. :P

http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/01/ ... e-security

Re: why would Russia wish to control Trump?

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:47 pm
by woodchip
tunnelcat wrote:
callmeslick wrote:you don't get it, do you? There is going to be no exchange. Blackmail doesn't work that way. Trump doesn't die like the guy in London or others, and, lucky him, he gets Secret Service protection until he's impeached or convicted.
What? The Secret Service isn't good enough for Mr. Trump? He may need the double protection the way he's going. :P

http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/01/ ... e-security
Edit, speed read your post.

Re: why would Russia wish to control Trump?

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:56 pm
by Tunnelcat
:?