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Trying to subvert our jurisprudence

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:55 pm
by woodchip
So when Mueller gave testimony he uttered one line that should chill you to the bones. Not that Trump was guilty of any crime. Quite the contrary. He said, "As such, the investigation "does not conclude that the President committed a crime"; however, "it also does not exonerate him",[25][26]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_Report

So last I checked, all citizens, even Trump, are naturally presumed innocent. So is this how the legal system will work when the Dems get power?

Re: Trying to subvert our jurisprudence

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:27 pm
by Top Gun
The Republicans have already shown that we may as well not have a legal system when they have power. Do you have a problem with that?

Also what Muller said is completely factually correct. He did not draw any conclusions about whether Trump's actions rose to criminal levels, because he viewed that as outside the purview of the investigation. Tell me how this threatens due process again?

Re: Trying to subvert our jurisprudence

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:24 pm
by vision
Top Gun wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:27 pmAlso what Muller said is completely factually correct. He did not draw any conclusions about whether Trump's actions rose to criminal levels, because he viewed that as outside the purview of the investigation. Tell me how this threatens due process again?
DING DING DING! Correct. This was an investigation to uncover evidence which must happen whether a person is guilty or innocent. That's what an investigation is. To discover wrongdoing. Did you not know this?

Re: Trying to subvert our jurisprudence

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:05 pm
by Tunnelcat
Uh news flash. Trump wasn't exonerated. He wasn't indicted because of the standing DOJ rule that a sitting president cannot be indicted. If he were a private citizen, he'd be prosecuted in a heartbeat.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 144041001/

Re: Trying to subvert our jurisprudence

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:41 pm
by Vander
woodchip wrote:So last I checked, all citizens, even Trump, are naturally presumed innocent.
Why would you think the President is treated the same as all citizens? He's obviously not. The Mueller Report quite plainly states how and why the President very specifically is being treated differently from all other citizens.

Presuming innocence can only exist in a legal realm where guilt can be charged.

Re: Trying to subvert our jurisprudence

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:29 pm
by Tunnelcat
Yeah, the only reason he NOT being indicted and thrown in prison is BECAUSE he's the damn president. The DOJ is protecting his ass.