It's nice of our President to overrule the Secretary of the Navy in a command decision, especially when that President has never fought in a war and even dodged the draft with a spuriously lame rich boy reason. Trump is spitting on the graves of all those Vietnam Vets who died doing their duty when he got off just by being a wimp. So he certainly doesn't understand the chain of command, what it means to maintain discipline within the ranks, or that any punishments for war crimes or improprieties are there for good reasons and are not advisory. They help to maintain order, foster respect for the chain of command and further our national reputation as the "good guys" in wartime. And duly remember this, Gallagher was turned in by the members of his own squad! All Trump does however is do whatever most dictators and despots do, make their own decisions to make themselves look great and to Hell with rules that have been around for a long time because he thinks he's smarter and knows best.
Apparently, Trump took this advice from Fox News, not longtime military advisors who actually know their business. Terrifying. Our country is essentially being run by the propagandists and idiots at Fox News.
“He undermined military justice and disrespected people who have served honorably,” Mabus added. “But the main thing at issue is a president keeping a military service from imposing accountability, seeking out justice and deciding who is qualified to be in that service.”
Aww Tc, I guess you were asleep in the Obama years:
What the president calls "my military" is being cleansed of any officer suspected of disloyalty to or disagreement with the administration on matters of policy or force structure, leaving the compliant and fearful.
Last I checked, Barry never served either.
Re: Private Bonespur
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:13 pm
by Tunnelcat
"Barry" wasn't drafted because there was no draft at the time he was eligible. You can argue that he didn't join voluntarily, but Obama seems like a skinny kid who'd be a poor fighter in the military anyway. Trump on the other hand, was a fit and athletic teenager during his youth, who used the typical Vietnam rich boy medical deferment dodge because his father had connections, which most young working American men did not. By the way, if you'd wanted to name better examples of draft dodgers, you could've named Clinton, Cheney and Biden, not Obama. Besides Trump's dodging the draft as a spoiled rich prick, he's a brainless incompetent leader. He acts more like a idiot street brawler who's used to fighting with his fists and is suddenly handed a machine gun to settle his scores instead of using those lowly brass knuckles. No tact, no allegiance the nation or anyone else but himself. This opinion comes from Teen Vogue, but the writer has nailed down to the tee with what's wrong with Trump.
And if you think the top military brass hated Obama, Trump breaks new ground in that area too. If you like having a baby brat who throws temper tantrums running the military, you need to take off your orange-colored glasses and take a good long look.
And here's a perfect example of his pea brain in action and this is an actual quote straight from Trump's mouth, when nuclear Armageddon was was a distinct possibility, especially for South Korea. God help us all.
Donald Trump wrote:“Why is Seoul so close to the North Korean border? They have to move. They have to move!”
Woody comes back almost 3 weeks after the OP to spew some "b-but Obama!" bull★■◆●. What a disgrace to his uniform.
Re: Private Bonespur
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:53 am
by woodchip
Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:13 pm
"Barry" wasn't drafted because there was no draft at the time he was eligible. You can argue that he didn't join voluntarily, but Obama seems like a skinny kid who'd be a poor fighter in the military anyway. Trump on the other hand, was a fit and athletic teenager during his youth, who used the typical Vietnam rich boy medical deferment dodge because his father had connections, which most young working American men did not. By the way, if you'd wanted to name better examples of draft dodgers, you could've named Clinton, Cheney and Biden, not Obama. Besides Trump's dodging the draft as a spoiled rich prick, he's a brainless incompetent leader. He acts more like a idiot street brawler who's used to fighting with his fists and is suddenly handed a machine gun to settle his scores instead of using those lowly brass knuckles. No tact, no allegiance the nation or anyone else but himself. This opinion comes from Teen Vogue, but the writer has nailed down to the tee with what's wrong with Trump.
And if you think the top military brass hated Obama, Trump breaks new ground in that area too. If you like having a baby brat who throws temper tantrums running the military, you need to take off your orange-colored glasses and take a good long look.
And here's a perfect example of his pea brain in action and this is an actual quote straight from Trump's mouth, when nuclear Armageddon was was a distinct possibility, especially for South Korea. God help us all.
Donald Trump wrote:“Why is Seoul so close to the North Korean border? They have to move. They have to move!”
Always trying to rationalize. BTW hows your pension fund doing (if you have one with stocks)?
Re: Private Bonespur
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:55 am
by woodchip
Top Gun wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:02 pm
Woody comes back almost 3 weeks after the OP to spew some "b-but Obama!" bull★■◆●. What a disgrace to his uniform.
Don't talk about uniforms unless you actually wore one...and no, you band uniform doesn't count.
Re: Private Bonespur
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:57 am
by Tunnelcat
woodchip wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:53 am
Always trying to rationalize. BTW hows your pension fund doing (if you have one with stocks)?
Wow, no comment at all on any of Trump' military hi-jinks or unfitness to lead, even coming from a military man who I know loves his country and the Constitution for cripes sake. Republicans have thrown all that respect out the window now and have truly sold their souls to the orange devil for nothing more than getting to kiss his ass and that of his supporters. Talk about MY rationalization. This video shows how Trump has really influenced the military and look at those jackasses doing it right next to an African American cadet too. What a disgrace.
BTW, Trump is riding on an economy that started it's climb during Obama's administration, which was supercharged by those Republican tax cuts. Never mind that the debt, which you yourself griped about under Obama, is now in uncharted territory, so the free ride might be coming to an end. Trump himself has done NOTHING but hang on the coattails of others to make himself look good. He's a showman plying empty promises. He's even mentally incapable of even making money for himself, since he's lost more of other people's money he's gotten his hands on than any other man in America. Oh, and those tariffs that are still in place are hurting many Americans and I don't see China blinking. In fact, China right now is going around Asia and buying up land to spread their influence and power. Haven't heard that from Trump have you?
As for my portfolio, my financial advisors and I are now into what's called capital preservation mode. In other words, keep stock and equity assets at or below 50% in my portfolio. Bonds are now gaining strength on the possibility that a recession is coming. And don't forget our skyrocketing healthcare costs. It's still going up and we STILL have leftover vestiges of Obamacare in the form of that stupid Marketplace, something else Trump failed to kill. Medicare can't come soon enough for me, because JUST THE PREMIUMS are taking ALL of any little pension money I'm getting.
woodchip wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:55 am
Don't talk about uniforms unless you actually wore one...and no, you band uniform doesn't count.
Sorry, choosing to make a career out of unquestioningly following orders and learning to kill people doesn't magically earn you respect in my world. Especially not when you've betrayed your oath and chosen to follow a treasonous would-be dictator.
Re: Private Bonespur
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:33 pm
by vision
woodchip wants to be dominated. It's why he's drawn to authoritarianism. The military is implicitly authoritarian. Daddy issues and all that...
Re: Private Bonespur
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:45 pm
by woodchip
Wow neither you TG or you vision really haven't a clue. Maybe you should actually talk to a vet instead of parroting antiquated 60's liberal dogma. I bet at least one of you were standing where troops walked by when they returned from Nam and spit on them and called them baby killers.
Re: Private Bonespur
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:49 pm
by Top Gun
So tell me, woody, what will talking to veterans tell me about this country's disturbing military fetishism that I don't already know? How they haven't actually "protected our freedom" since, oh, 1945 or so? How drone strikes on weddings in Yemen are "acceptable losses"? You'd think the people who keep getting sent to die in meaningless wars would be madder than anyone at the pieces of ★■◆● who send them, but nope, they follow along like good little sheep.
Well, not all of them: there are great pieces like this one that still give me a small sliver of hope.
Re: Private Bonespur
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:02 pm
by vision
woodchip wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:45 pmMaybe you should actually talk to a vet instead of parroting antiquated 60's liberal dogma.
My father was shot on multiple occasions in Vietnam. Came back addicted to drugs and with a massive case of PTSD. He's not alive anymore to talk about being drafted into fighting a proxy war against the USSR and losing his family because of it. But please, tell me how great our military is and how our current president isn't a Russian asset.
woodchip wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:53 am
Always trying to rationalize. BTW hows your pension fund doing (if you have one with stocks)?
Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:57 amWow, no comment at all on any of Trump' military hi-jinks or unfitness to lead, even coming from a military man who I know loves his country and the Constitution for cripes sake. Republicans have thrown all that respect out the window now and have truly sold their souls to the orange devil for nothing more than getting to kiss his ass and that of his supporters. Talk about MY rationalization. This video shows how Trump has really influenced the military and look at those jackasses doing it right next to an African American cadet too. What a disgrace.
And this was Trumps fault...how?
Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:57 amBTW, Trump is riding on an economy that started it's climb during Obama's administration, which was supercharged by those Republican tax cuts. Never mind that the debt, which you yourself griped about under Obama, is now in uncharted territory, so the free ride might be coming to an end. Trump himself has done NOTHING but hang on the coattails of others to make himself look good. He's a showman plying empty promises. He's even mentally incapable of even making money for himself, since he's lost more of other people's money he's gotten his hands on than any other man in America. Oh, and those tariffs that are still in place are hurting many Americans and I don't see China blinking. In fact, China right now is going around Asia and buying up land to spread their influence and power. Haven't heard that from Trump have you?
Truely a delusional statement. First off you notice the huge stock jump the day Trump was elected? See any similar stock jumps while Barry was in office? More importantly do you think the stock market would be where it's at if Hillary Clinton were elected. Or are you THAT delusional you think Hillary would of energized the economy the way Trump.
Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:57 amAs for my portfolio, my financial advisors and I are now into what's called capital preservation mode. In other words, keep stock and equity assets at or below 50% in my portfolio. Bonds are now gaining strength on the possibility that a recession is coming. And don't forget our skyrocketing healthcare costs. It's still going up and we STILL have leftover vestiges of Obamacare in the form of that stupid Marketplace, something else Trump failed to kill. Medicare can't come soon enough for me, because JUST THE PREMIUMS are taking ALL of any little pension money I'm getting.
Yes, believe the liberal attempt to talk the economy down so they can benefit politically. As to diversifing your portfolio, thats just what a portfolio should be. I have gold buried in the back yard just in case.
Re: Private Bonespur
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:27 pm
by Tunnelcat
woodchip wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:03 pmAnd this was Trumps fault...how?
Trump has emboldened white nationalists ever since he was elected, despite his claim to the contrary and the military is no exception. I guess Trump's election gave a boner to all those white tea party idiots who stomped and stormed throughout the Obama administration and who finally relished Trump's election as a sign to rise up and take control since they now have their dictator-in-chief. Personally, I hope they all rot in fascist hell, because a LOT of our fine military men and women died during WWII to stop a white fascist nazi and his purist white ideals in the form of Hitler and his Storm Troopers and Brown Shirts. In fact, reading this link shows me that some in the military don't think white nationalism is even a problem that has to be rooted out either. So I guess we're getting closer to having an SS and Brown Shirt equivalent in our military than I thought. The poison is spreading. Well, if history is any indication and which is invariably forgotten, we WILL repeat it and we WILL regret it.
woodchip wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:03 pmTruely a delusional statement. First off you notice the huge stock jump the day Trump was elected? See any similar stock jumps while Barry was in office? More importantly do you think the stock market would be where it's at if Hillary Clinton were elected. Or are you THAT delusional you think Hillary would of energized the economy the way Trump.
Of course the stock market jumped, but it was a steady up and to the right during Obama's second term. He inherited a downturn from the previous Republican president too. Wall Street knew they were going to get a huge tax cut gift just because the president and congress were all Republican. Didn't matter who was president, as long as it was a Republican. But even that lovely tax cut did not spur as much job growth as it did corporations buying back their own stock. However, even though everything was Republican after the election, Obamacare is pretty much still around and costs are sky high. Trump AND the Republicans did squat to get rid of it. As for Hillary, I didn't vote for her nor do I like her, but you can bet that the national debt wouldn't have skyrocketed as much as it did if that tax cut hadn't been passed. But not giving Obama some credit is nothing but partisan delusion and Trump boasting out his ass.
woodchip wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:03 pmYes, believe the liberal attempt to talk the economy down so they can benefit politically. As to diversifing your portfolio, thats just what a portfolio should be. I have gold buried in the back yard just in case.
My advisor used to talk of a 70% equity holding. That changed about a year ago for her clients holding retirement savings, so she knows a lot more than you do because she's in the business. She's not a liberal either. She's a die hard Republican who thinks Trump is a travesty of a president who's unstable actions and policies threaten the stock market's stability in the near term. The tariffs are number one and the debt is number two for giant rocks of doom hanging over Wall Street.
