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Why? Because they were trying to stop a drag show



They're trying to start a war. Don't kid yourselves.

These people firmly believe "family values" are under attack by a tyrannical socialist government and any and all forms of remediation are now on the table. But it's not the government most sane law abiding people should be afraid of, like me. It's our fellow Americans being spoon feed bigoted hate by Evangelical Christian Churches, organizations and right-wing news outlets that's ramping this crap up and fomenting action. Like I've said before, these people are so firm in their delusional convictions that terrorism and war are now viable alternatives to voting. Mark my words, this the "calm" before the storm in 2024 because these people won't take losing an election lying down next time. They're already out there protesting drag shows and carrying guns while doing it, so when will it graduate to actually shooting people?

https://wreg.com/news/local/memphis-mus ... s-show-up/

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/arm ... 07502.html

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/wisconsin-ne ... er-attack/

And to the deliberate power sabotage, all over a silly drag show of all things.

https://www.wral.com/moore-county-woman ... /20612783/

Hit the ★■◆● with federal terrorism charges. Pure human garbage.

I don’t think there’s a motive yet. It appears similar to what happened near me a few years ago: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack

Vander wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:09 pm I don’t think there’s a motive yet. It appears similar to what happened near me a few years ago: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalf_sniper_attack

Heavily implied here:

When asked if this was an incident of domestic terrorism Fields replied, "I can't answer that," but added "This was targeted. It wasn't random."

That doesn’t imply it has anything to do with a drag show?

AMERICA!!!

Vander wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:29 am That doesn’t imply it has anything to do with a drag show?

Agreed, I'm skeptical the two events are directly connected. The power grid attack looks like someone making a different type of statement.

I wouldn't be shocked if they were connected. That seems to be the direction apoplectic right wing rhetoric is taking us. But so far the only evidence for it was a cryptic internet post, which the authorities apparently checked and found to be BS.

What’s with all the drag queen stuff lately? Of all the “alternative lifestyle” stuff it’s like the most non-threatening; it’s like vaudeville, and a lot of the time it sucks - I hate flamboyant musicals.

Because these bigots think that drag queens are what gay people look and act like. They wouldn't know if a real gay or trans person was standing right next to them unless they were told or that person was flamboyant. My neighbors know nothing personal about me at all and they won't, given that many of them are practicing Christians. In order to be friends, I must stay silent, which is painful.

https://www.glaad.org/blog/glaad-report ... reats-2022

There have been 124 incidents of drag show protests in 2022. Good ol' Montana has now banned the shows altogether. What a lovely country we live in now. This recent terrorist action may or may not have been in response to a drag show, but Neo Nazis are actively plotting to start some sort of war, race-based or whatever. One thing may be for sure, that it was right wing terrorists that shot up those substations in North Carolina for whatever insane reason and we haven't seen the end of it.

https://lawandcrime.com/crime/christoph ... d-attacks/

If we don't get have a motive, it's not a good idea to jump to conclusions.

Well, the extreme far right is getting pretty restless and willing to resort to violence to get what they want. They're even willing to plot to take down a government, both here in the U.S. and in Germany. Connect the dots. The far right is very unhappy and pissed off. Poor babies. Being nutty, hateful asswipes won't win them any leadership positions, so violence, sabotage and vandalism is all that's left as an outlet for their rage.

https://abc7ny.com/german-coup-germany- ... /12538912/

Probably, but this has to be investigated.

They found almost 2 dozen shell casings at the scene plus some bullets, so they may have ways to zero in on the perps hopefully.

https://ksltv.com/513842/nearly-2-dozen ... urces-say/

All this outrage yet where was the outrage when Portland was burning and left wing fanatics were controlling the city?

Why did they do that?

Vander wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:26 pm Why did they do that?

You're overestimating woody's ability for thoughtful self-reflection.

Vander wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 5:26 pm Why did they do that?

Is there some answer that makes it ok?

You're right, it's never OK to challenge or rebel against state power.

Vander wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:43 am You're right, it's never OK to challenge or rebel against state power.

It's only "right" when far right Fascist Christian extremists do it.

Vander wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:43 am You're right, it's never OK to challenge or rebel against state power.

So when a govt. becomes so onerous that you no longer have any rights and all your possessions are confiscated, maybe you'll understand why the firs and second amendments were written into the constitution. The question is, at what point would you think enough is enough and do something about it?

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:09 pm

Vander wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:43 am You're right, it's never OK to challenge or rebel against state power.

It's only "right" when far right Fascist Christian extremists do it.

Apparently it is only right when BLM and Antifa do it. Get off your imagined Christian Extremist kick as the damage the liberal fanatics do far exceeds what fanatic Christians do. Oh and how many fire bombers of Pro Life Centers have been caught and convicted. How many of the terrorist far left group Janes Revenge been caught? Compare that to how many criminals were caught committing crimes against abortion centers.

Oh and lest you think ferno's link is only limited to the far right:
"Five left-wing activists arrested for domestic terrorism in Georgia"
https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/12/15/ ... ia-n518117

I don't think the discussion on domestic terrorism should be a damn pissing contest.

I agree, just that there is a disproportionate amount of posts here that seem to blame all our ills on "far right extremists" which is just not true. I will continue to point this out.

Problem is, far right extremists typically see themselves as "patriots" acting for the greater good of the country. Most of these wackos are Evangelical Christians, harbor White Supremasist Fascist views, typically own most of the rifles and guns sold in the U.S. and are willing to bear those arms all in the name of "protecting freedom" from a duly elected government they abhor. They've also got more murders racked up at the moment, so they're the bigger threat right now. They're also all shouting in lockstep that they want their country back. How do I know that? My Christian sister has mouthed that same trash, claiming if we all just had God, everything would be better. bull★■◆●! You know how much violence and repression has deen done all in the name of God? You hate the far left woody? Right now I hate the far right and I have more to lose if these so called "patriots" foment a revolution and form a new government built on their deluded and hateful vision.

https://checkyourfact.com/2017/06/23/fa ... -violence/

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-libra ... ist-groups

There is no 'far left' in America today. In most of Europe, the Democratic party's policies would be considered center-right. It's just that the Overton Window has moved so far that today's Republicans consider anyone to the left of Mussolini to be a communist.

woodchip wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:18 am I agree, just that there is a disproportionate amount of posts here that seem to blame all our ills on "far right extremists" which is just not true. I will continue to point this out.

Ya think that might have anything to do with a disproportionate amount of domestic terrorism coming from far right extremists?

woodchip wrote:So when a govt. becomes so onerous that you no longer have any rights and all your possessions are confiscated, maybe you'll understand why the firs and second amendments were written into the constitution. The question is, at what point would you think enough is enough and do something about it?

Do something about what? Who no longer has any rights and all their possessions got confiscated? Do you need help?

He needs help with reality. He can't accept it.

Krom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:26 pm

woodchip wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:18 am I agree, just that there is a disproportionate amount of posts here that seem to blame all our ills on "far right extremists" which is just not true. I will continue to point this out.

Ya think that might have anything to do with a disproportionate amount of domestic terrorism coming from far right extremists?

It all depends on how you view and what sources of news you use. So define terrorism. Id it straight out violence like you saw in Portland? Or can it be more subtle like in Louden county where protesting parents complained at school board meetings and:

"Education Secretary Miguel Cardona solicited the National School Boards Association's much-criticized letter that compared protesting parents to domestic terrorists and suggested using the Patriot Act against them".

A govt official using terrorist acts against citizens because they don't agree with him. Go figure.
So who were the terrorists? The parents or the Federal Education Dept and NSBA? While the press tended to present the parents as being in the wrong, how many labeled the Federal Education Dept/NSBA as being in the wrong, let alone committing a terrorist act? Why, because they are left wing and donate to Democrats? I suspect it is because of the news sources you listen to and how left wing groups are protected by your sources of news.

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:30 pm He needs help with reality. He can't accept it.

Sorry TC and Vander, when you can't understand a hypothetical situation from reality and want to make it seem I'm in dire straights...it's not me that needs help

We also see the perfect example of blame being placed on one group without any real evidence in this very thread.

woodchip wrote:a hypothetical situation from reality

I'm not trying to make fun of you. I really am trying to engage with you in good faith. But how do I respond to something like: "A hypothetical situation from reality." What does that even mean?

A govt official using terrorist acts against citizens because they don't agree with him.

Yes, there was a lot of aggression at school boards across the country at the height of the CRT and Groomer moral panics. Just wild evidence free accusations and insinuations, threats of violence, intimidation, etc against school boards and teachers. This is NOT to say that parents can't or don't have legitimate concerns about things, or have no say in what goes on at schools, or even that there aren't generally or specifically concerning things that go on in schools. But a lot of it was straight up manufactured agitation based on contrived bullsh!t. Similar things happened against local public health officials trying to manage a public health crisis with no easy answers.

How was state power misused here? Local officials trying to do their jobs? A federal official giving an opinion that he thinks this should be considered terrorism? Did anything come of that? Did the FBI knock on some doors? Some chilling effect situation going on? Or was that one official's statement turned into a "hypothetical situation from reality?"

What happened in Portland in 2020 had been brewing for years and a good enough place to start is when groups like Patriot Prayer Breakfast, Oathkeepers, the Proud Boys specifically targeted Portland (among other places like Berkeley) to agitate the reaction they ended up getting, and those groups being chummy with the local police. So when the Floyd protests erupted, like most localities, the Portland protests were flavored with local grievances. And again like most localities, a curfew needlessly exacerbated the situation by using police brutality to break up protests against police brutality, radicalizing people with nightly evidence of what they're standing against and turning it all into a battle of wills. Then the badge-less feds were sent in by the President to crush the antifa menace. Of course, "antifa" is just a loose confederation of groups doing community mutual aid and defense, not an actual terrorist organization.

A lot of the very same people "antifa" fought on the streets of Portland went on to do actual sedition in support of the President. That seems like a significant data point to use when trying to determine good and bad actors. But I guess the actual sedition was just an "enough is enough and do something about it" type situation, right?

woody, you didn't answer Vander's question, hypothetical or not. What property and rights have been taken away from you or your brethren to warrant an overthrow of the government? Because it seems NOW is the time for Republicans to act against Biden for some reason. That was why I replied the way I did, because as far as I know, NOTHING has been taken away from you, period, so no basis in reality. And I assume you take Social Security and Medicare, which are as left progressive as it gets, so you WILL take some commie-style government programs when it suits you.

As to the substation shooting incident, yes, we don't know who did it, so it IS speculation when people claim far right terrorists did the act. But currently, the far left doesn't really have the motivation other than social justice protesting, but the far right does. Absolute unapologetic, virulent hatred of the left, ALL OF IT, even far into territory formerly thought of as conservative on the political spectrum. Your posts here are positively dripping with it. Your news outlets spew hate and misinformation just to stoke their base with fear and loathing. Fox News should be considered violent propaganda. Trump's rallies were nothing but speeches of leftie hate and although he's no longer president, he still spews his vile leftie hate online on his platform like a spreading mold.

https://psmag.com/ideas/the-far-right-d ... iminate-it

As a center left voter, I don't hate conservatives and I've voted for them in the past. I also DON'T like anarchists and believe they should be prosecuted and tossed in jail for violent rioting and destruction, those you call Antifa. But I DO hate Fascists, White Supremacists and Neo Nazis, for their platform wants to wipe me and everyone like me off the face of the earth all in the name of God. They also want to kill every Jew they can and expel every non-white person from the U.S. Currently, most Republicans (you'll notice I didn't say conservatives) out there who bow to either Trump or DeSantis can be considered firmly in that camp, rabid Fascists who use God to justify their motives.

Another attack on a power station today...but don't worry I have it on good authority that crime is not a problem in the U.S..

Some of those substation attacks have occurred recently in Oregon, as well as Washington and were not widely reported either. The feds are calling it "violent, anti-government activity". Now tell me this? Most of the substation attacks, other than the N. Carolina attack, have occurred in "liberal states" like CA, OR and WA. Antifa you say? Somehow I don't think so. To top it off, now extra deputies are having to patrol these stations more frequently, so that leaves gaps everywhere else where criminals can freely ply their trade. I could be like woody and come up with the grand idea that this is all some right wing grand plan to destabilize those hated liberal states and throw them into chaos, but that would be crazy talk, right?

https://www.koin.com/news/oregon/memo-o ... -attacked/

I'm still waiting for them to catch someone in the act before I can be sure if a motive.