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Chatgpt 4o wrote: Woody's list provided appears to conflate multiple issues and distorts facts for political gain. It's important to critically assess each claim individually rather than blanketly dismissing them as hoaxes.

1. Russia Collusion: Multiple investigations, including by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, found evidence of Russian interference in the 2016 election and numerous contacts between Trump associates and Russian operatives. While collusion was not conclusively proven, interference was.

2. Hands Up, Don’t Shoot: This slogan arose from conflicting eyewitness accounts of Michael Brown’s death. The DOJ report did find systemic issues in the Ferguson police department, shedding light on broader racial injustice.

3. Jussie Smollett: This was indeed a hoax, and he faced legal consequences for it. However, it’s not representative of broader societal movements for racial justice.

4. Covington Incident: The initial coverage was misleading, but subsequent full video footage provided context, showing a complex situation involving multiple groups.

5. Very Fine People: Trump’s “very fine people on both sides” comment regarding Charlottesville was widely criticized as giving a moral equivalence between white supremacists and those protesting against them, which is a significant concern for many.

6. Seven-Hour Gap: The gap in Trump’s call logs during the Capitol riot is under investigation. The absence of these records during a critical period is concerning.

7. Russian Bounties: Intelligence reports suggested that Russia offered bounties for killing American soldiers in Afghanistan, a claim taken seriously by the military and intelligence community.

8. Trump Trashes Troops: Multiple credible sources confirmed Trump’s disparaging comments about fallen soldiers. These sources included individuals close to Trump, adding weight to these claims.

9. January 6: The Capitol riot was a violent attack resulting in deaths and injuries. It wasn’t a “mostly peaceful” protest but an attempt to overturn the election results.

10. Rittenhouse: The case of Kyle Rittenhouse is complex, involving self-defense claims and broader discussions about gun laws and vigilantism.

11. Eating While Black: Incidents of racial profiling are documented and reflect systemic issues within society.

12. Border Agents: The images were misinterpreted, but the broader issue of the treatment of migrants at the border remains a concern.

13. NASCAR Noose: The investigation found the noose had been there for months, but the initial reaction was based on legitimate concerns about racism.

14. Georgia Voting Law: Critics argue the law makes voting more difficult, particularly for minorities, leading to the “Jim Crow 2.0” label.

15. Trump Assaulting Agents: This was based on a witness's account under oath and is part of ongoing investigations.

16. Paul Pelosi: The attack on Paul Pelosi was widely condemned, and attributing it to political motives without evidence is speculative.

17. COVID Lab Leak: The origin of COVID-19 is still under investigation, and discussing various theories is part of the scientific process.

18. Hunter Biden’s Laptop: The laptop’s contents are still being investigated, and declaring it outright disinformation or fully verified is premature.

19. Gas Stoves: Regulatory discussions on gas stoves are based on health concerns, not outright bans.

20. COVID Deaths: Over-counting or under-counting COVID deaths is debated among experts, reflecting the complexities of tracking a pandemic.

21. Mass Graves in Canada: Investigations are ongoing into the graves of Indigenous children, a tragic part of Canada’s history.

22. Trump and Fish: This was a misinterpretation of a diplomatic event.

23. Bleach: Trump did suggest injecting disinfectants, which was widely criticized by medical experts.

24. Hamas Hospital: The fog of war often leads to conflicting reports, but independent verification is crucial.

25. Trump Executions: Speculative and without evidence.

26. COVID Hospitalizations: Numbers were often contextualized with underlying conditions.

27. Environmental Hoaxes: Requires specific examples for discussion.

28. Alfa Bank: Part of broader investigations into Russian interference.

29. Libs of TikTok: Misleading, the platform shares controversial content.

30. Aaron Rodgers: Statements taken out of context.

31. Bloodbath: Often used metaphorically in political rhetoric.

32. Biden's Health: His cognitive abilities are monitored, but claims of severe decline are often partisan.

The post simplifies complex issues and uses broad strokes to dismiss legitimate concerns. Each claim needs a nuanced and evidence-based analysis rather than blanket labeling as a hoax.

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Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:31 am So? I can't judge what comes out of his pie hole except by his actions and neither can Snopes. But actions speak louder than words.The whole rally was conceived by alt-right wingers Richard Spencer and Jason Kessler, which was also attended by David Duke of KKK fame. Uh Huh. Why? To protest a statue of a racist traitor to our Republic being taken down? No. ★■◆● that heritage. It was pure hate mongering to rile up people and start a fight. Really nice people there. Trump should've kept that one comment out of his whole response and condemned everyone who resorted to violence on either side, then none of this discussion would be taking place. But he uses too many superlatives and hand waving to cover the fact that he's an idiot and just can't come to the point like most smart people could.

woodchip wrote:Trump was talking about the Civil War when he said,"there were nice people on both side"

woodchip wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:20 pm

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:31 am So? I can't judge what comes out of his pie hole except by his actions and neither can Snopes. But actions speak louder than words.The whole rally was conceived by alt-right wingers Richard Spencer and Jason Kessler, which was also attended by David Duke of KKK fame. Uh Huh. Why? To protest a statue of a racist traitor to our Republic being taken down? No. ★■◆● that heritage. It was pure hate mongering to rile up people and start a fight. Really nice people there. Trump should've kept that one comment out of his whole response and condemned everyone who resorted to violence on either side, then none of this discussion would be taking place. But he uses too many superlatives and hand waving to cover the fact that he's an idiot and just can't come to the point like most smart people could.

Trump was talking about the Civil War when he said,"there were nice people on both side", The leftist tried to warp that into something else. And as I recall Robert Bryd was eulogised by Biden. Didn't hear Biden catch much flack from that...unlike Sen. Trent Lott was forced out of the his senate race because he gave some kind words to Strom Thurmond. Liberals are good at throwing mud but not so good at looking in their own backyard.
And yes feel free to voice your opinion but try to keep it factual, which I know is hard for a liberl.

woodchip wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:55 amMy apologies.