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We are another step closer to WW3 with the attack by Iran on Israel. We now have Israel starting limited land excursions into Lebanon. Does anyone here think the religious zealots ruling those two countries (Iran and Lebanon) can be negotiated into a peaceful conclusion?

The middle east has been at war since the dawn of time. Nothing will work except brute force.

There will be no peace so long as right wingers control Israel and its adversaries. With how extremist Israel is getting, I think it is dangerously likely that Israel could deploy nuclear weapons against Iran.

woodchip wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 2:58 pmDoes anyone here think the religious zealots ruling those two countries (Iran and Lebanon

When I read "religious zealots ruling those two countries" I immediately thought Iran and Israel, not Lebanon. I have a friend from Lebanon, he's really cool, super smart, and an atheist. He's pretty anti-Israel though, after having Israeli bombs blow up his school while he and his brother were in it. I can see why he's against Zionism.

Krom wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:56 pm I think it is dangerously likely that Israel could deploy nuclear weapons against Iran.

Man I hope it doesn't come to that. So many innocent lives will be lost.

Looks like Israel's Iron Dome is more like a Tin Dome.

I guess we now know what happens when you overwhelm a defense system.

And no, I don't believe there will be a negotiated peace any time soon.

Spidey wrote:And no, I don't believe there will be a negotiated peace any time soon.

I also believe this, because Israel's goal isn't peace, it's a land without Arabs.

I really thought the world was going to end fighting over drinking water. It looks like its going to be over a god that doesnt exist. Thanks a lot you ★■◆●ing idiots.

Vander " also believe this, because Israel's goal isn't peace, it's a land without Arabs."
Coming from you Vander, a surprisingly ignorant statement. You do know Arabs are living Israel?

Calling him ignorant while being ignorant about the fact that israel is pushing out all arabs from israel.

I'd laugh if that wasn't so pathetic.

Thats funny considering there was nearly a 25% increase in the number of Arabs living in Israel over the last decade.

Ferno wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 11:57 am Calling him ignorant while being ignorant about the fact that israel is pushing out all arabs from israel.

I'd laugh if that wasn't so pathetic.

Yup I'm ignorant. "The Arab citizens of Israel (Arab Israelis or Israeli Arabs) are the country's largest ethnic minority." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

Ferno, what's pathetic is in your lust to prove me wrong you don't even bother to find out if maybe you're wrong. Try educating yourself instead of blindly swinging at Quixote windmills,

woodchip wrote:Coming from you Vander, a surprisingly ignorant statement. You do know Arabs are living Israel?

I'm not sure how that knowledge isn't a prerequisite for what I said, much less in opposition to it.

In all this talk, you're ignoring what the extreme right wing Likud Party, and Netanyahu, what deep down they really want, all Palestinians moved out of Gaza to Egypt or elsewhere. You'll notice that I didn't say "Arabs" either. As long as Netanyahu remains in power, any remaining hostage rescues will be put on the back burner of importance and slowly pushing out Palestinians will be the main goal, no matter how long it takes or how it's done. "Occupying, deporting and settling". That's the internal buzzwords going around in Israel's right wing currently. In order to not be politically incorrect, they didn't add "killing" to those buzzwords.

I'm guessing Bibi doesn't want to make the same mistake that Israel did in 2007 when they pulled out of Gaza completely and Hamas took over within 2 years. So get rid of Hamas really means, get rid of the Palestinians and take back the land that they believe is rightfully theirs. And unless the surrounding Arab states start a full scale war with Israel over this, that goal will eventually come to pass, because the U.S. certainly has no control over Bibi and the Likud Party's ideals.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/17/middleea ... index.html

Tunnelcat wrote:the U.S. certainly has no control over Bibi and the Likud Party's ideals.

We provide them the material support to turn those ideals into actions. We defend those actions politically and militarily. Are you confident they're just the ideals of Netanyahu and Likud?

Yes, we do supply them with material support. Nothing the Israelis do will stop that because we've always said: "Never again", despite the Israelis now pretty much doing their own little genocide in return. They can get away with it because no one likes the Palestinians, not even the Arab states nearby or they'd be offering them safe harbor.

As for the ideals being just Likud's, no they are not. I'm sure a lot of Israelis harbor the same wishes, although a little more privately. They did vote the Likud Party back into power after all.

woodchip wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:44 amYou do know Arabs are living Israel?

You know Jews live in every Muslim country? I don't see your point. Israel's goal is to take over whatever they deem historic land and set up a religious state. It's no different than ISIS establishing a caliphate in the Levant. I personally think Israel is waaaaay more dangerous than Iran because Israel is run by religious fanatics that already have nuclear weapons and have shown no reservations about attacking it's neighbors. Unbelievably dangerous idiots.

Tunnelcat wrote:As for the ideals being just Likud's, no they are not. I'm sure a lot of Israelis harbor the same wishes, although a little more privately. They did vote the Likud Party back into power after all.

I was implying something a little closer to home.

I'm sure that's the case here too.