the real way jail should be.....(true story)

Battlebot · Post by **Battlebot** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:54 pm

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona) who created the tent city jail has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights. Cut off all but "G" movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects. Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again only let in the Disney channel and the weather channel.

When asked why the weather channel he replied, so they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.

He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value. When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."

He bought Newt Gingrich' lecture series on videotape that he pipes into the jails.

When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series might explain why a lot of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

More on the Arizona Sheriff: With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.

Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their pink socks. "It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the tents for 1 1/2 years. "It's inhumane."

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic.

He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates:
"It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!"

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 11:17 pm

Battlebot wrote:......at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.

LOL.. that would make one heck of a Hanes commercial.

But really, sounds like this guy has some great ideas. I would try and stay away from chain gangs tho. I've seen too much horrible stuff about former chain gangs. :\

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 11:27 pm

We should throw the Enron executive board in there.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:12 am

kufyit · Post by **kufyit** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:35 am

Abusive men on power trips are so neat!

HaAGen DaZS · Post by **HaAGen DaZS** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:32 am

kufyit wrote:Abusive men on power trips are so neat!

i agreed with you almost 100% in the NHB thread about the Iraq war, etc, however, 90% of those people are in the prison for a real reason (i.e. rightfully convicted).

they deserve what comes to them, and i think a humiliating, hot, and no "extras" punishment is just right.
I don't break the law to the point that im damaging or harming others and their property, why should they and get away with it?

all in all... id be sympathetic for the wrongfully convicted, but... owned!

Warlock · Post by **Warlock** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 7:56 am

hell yeah we need more of thoes tent cities, cause y should we pay for them to sit on there ass and get free cable tv

Topher · Post by **Topher** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 7:56 am

Ugh, not even weights. That's gotta suck.

Beowulf · Post by **Beowulf** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:12 am

the only people who deserve that kinda treatment are rapists, murderers, pedophiles, and the like. Oh yeah, and the Enron people and Arthur Anderson who ruined peoples entire future and lives.

kufyit · Post by **kufyit** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:44 am

HaAGen DaZS wrote: i agreed with you almost 100% in the NHB thread about the Iraq war, etc, however, 90% of those people are in the prison for a real reason (i.e. rightfully convicted).

they deserve what comes to them, and i think a humiliating, hot, and no "extras" punishment is just right.
I don't break the law to the point that im damaging or harming others and their property, why should they and get away with it?

all in all... id be sympathetic for the wrongfully convicted, but... owned!

I'm not saying prison shouldn't be tough. But, the OFFICAL PROTOCOL is what needs to be tough. This guy is just arbitrarily abusing prisioners with no deliberate purpose except to exercise power, and that, in my opinion, is wrong.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:29 pm

kufyit wrote:
HaAGen DaZS wrote: i agreed with you almost 100% in the NHB thread about the Iraq war, etc, however, 90% of those people are in the prison for a real reason (i.e. rightfully convicted).

they deserve what comes to them, and i think a humiliating, hot, and no "extras" punishment is just right.
I don't break the law to the point that im damaging or harming others and their property, why should they and get away with it?

all in all... id be sympathetic for the wrongfully convicted, but... owned!
I'm not saying prison shouldn't be tough. But, the OFFICAL PROTOCOL is what needs to be tough. This guy is just arbitrarily abusing prisioners with no deliberate purpose except to exercise power, and that, in my opinion, is wrong.

Aggreed, official proticol should be reminded that it is prison, not a resort hotel.

SSX-Thunderbird · Post by **SSX-Thunderbird** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 4:10 pm

until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails.

Can I get a WTF here? This is incredibly stupid. I'm with Krom.

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:25 pm

I think it becomes abusive and a power trip the second this sheriff guy starts pulling stunts for his own benefit or amusement, instead of as a means of saving tax payer money, "institutional correction," or what. But I think you'll have a hard time arguing that restricting the prisoners to G-movies and their cable stations to the Weather Channel is along the lines of abuse.

Nevermind the fact that criminals are the ones with the real, actually threatening power trip.

Of course, we could always go Dukakis on their asses. Or, what is it these days everyone's pushing, psychotherapy?

edit: some typos

Stryker · Post by **Stryker** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:25 pm

The best way to fix today's crime problems (at least for robbery) would be to make the criminal pay back what he/she stole--times 10. When they figure out they're losing money by robbing instead of gaining it... And imagine making a heist on a big jewel company or something. When you got caught... You'd be working a long time to pay that one off.

I totally agree with what this guy is doing. It's not a hotel; these people did something very bad. They should have to pay for it, not get free food, cable TV, a private gym, etc. all courtesy of the government. These people are criminals. They did something bad. They should be working--hard--without getting more stuff (free) than many Americans get.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:49 pm

"Sheriff Joe" is my favorite guy to vote against, that is, until this november!

He also forces them to watch videos of him reading stories once a week.

The problem is, is that it has to be a minimum security prison just due to the nature of the layout, tents. So the people that go there, and put up with this, are not the worst of the worst. They are quite often the best of the worst. Most of the people there are drug offenders.

He currently has 7,000 lawsuits filed against him. Liability insurance per case has gone from $1 million to $5 million while he has been in office.

Way to save us money!!11! Its not that they choose to have 40 cent meals, thats all that they can afford!

Lets not let politics get in the way though....

Mobius · Post by **Mobius** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 7:19 pm

Stupid, Radical, Bullshite!

That guy needs to spend some time in his own prison.

Do you right wing nutcases actually comprehend the words "INCARCERATED", "DETAINED", or "IN JAIL"?

This stuff comes under "cruel and unusual" BY DEFINITION. Thank Goodness you whackos have absolutely no say in the running of your own prisons. And heaven forbid you should ever find yourself in one.

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 8:24 pm

Mobius wrote:Stupid, Radical, Bull****e!

That guy needs to spend some time in his own prison.

Do you right wing nutcases actually comprehend the words "INCARCERATED", "DETAINED", or "IN JAIL"?

This stuff comes under "cruel and unusual" BY DEFINITION. Thank Goodness you whackos have absolutely no say in the running of your own prisons. And heaven forbid you should ever find yourself in one.

And what would you do, have them sit on their ass with a free ride with their fluffed up pillows and nice pillow-top serta matresses? Prison is meant to be hell on earth dude. Its supposed to be a PUNISHMENT, not a paradise behind bars. If a few years of hell keeps them out of trouble, so be it.

Stryker · Post by **Stryker** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 8:47 pm

Sure it's cruel. Sure it's unusual. But so are the people behind bars.

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 8:49 pm

Stryker wrote:Sure it's cruel. Sure it's unusual. But so are the people behind bars.

Exactly. These are the scum of society we're talking about here. If you ask me, they deserve worse.

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:00 pm

Mobius wrote:Stupid, Radical, Bull****e!

That guy needs to spend some time in his own prison.

Do you right wing nutcases actually comprehend the words "INCARCERATED", "DETAINED", or "IN JAIL"?

This stuff comes under "cruel and unusual" BY DEFINITION.

Do you comprehend the word "punishment"? Mobius, people who think like you do contribute to the erosion of civilized society.

Mobius wrote:Thank Goodness you whackos have absolutely no say in the running of your own prisons. And heaven forbid you should ever find yourself in one.

Heaven forbid we should ever feel it's worth the risk of being in prison to break the law. Prisons should be hell, it should make people think twice before they destroy their lives through one of the many persuits that will land a person in prison. When you think about something like that, you're not supposed to approach it from a stand-point of, "what would I feel like if I was in there?" What? Are people like you looking to keep things cooshy in prisons just in case you ever decide to rape some girl, or deal drugs for some extra cash, or get caught in any one of the dozens of other things you may want to do in the future?

It makes me sick to hear bull**** like that. Some people are so removed from reality that it's absolutely frightening.
What's even more frightening is that here in America there's a political party built on that kind of thinking.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:30 pm

Mobius, people who think like you do contribute to the erosion of civilized society.

As we have become more and more "civilized" our punishments in general have become less and less severe, not more.

DCrazy · Post by **DCrazy** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:32 pm

Not true. The Mayans and the Babylonians were extremely civilized (compared to what they emerged from) and their punishments were more severe.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:01 pm

So you think the Babylonians and Los Mayans are more civilized then the United States? Laf.

DCrazy · Post by **DCrazy** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:05 pm

Not at all. I'm just saying that "progress" is relative. In my point of view, punishing inmates is a step in the right direction after having veered off for a while.

Darktalyn1 · Post by **Darktalyn1** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:57 pm

No, prisoners shouldn't have cable tv. Yes, prison should be a punishment. But stupid crap like issuing pink boxers is the idea of some jackass on a power trip.

Battlebot · Post by **Battlebot** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:00 pm

Darktalyn1 wrote:No, prisoners shouldn't have cable tv. Yes, prison should be a punishment. But stupid crap like issuing pink boxers is the idea of some jackass on a power trip.

yeah but they deserve punishment on many levels.

BUBBALOU · Post by **BUBBALOU** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:43 am

Ok GDF liberals....ENOUGH

This guy is right on, too much money is spent giving a vacation to people who commit crimes.

Example: NYC they have a special jail now (like a hotel) just for A$$Pirates and PoleSmokers that cost the NY taxpayers $75,000 per inmate per year (60k for regular inmates in the standard jails)

WTF 3/4's of the Population of NY do not even make half of that per year as an income!

Put them all in tents and let them hammer rocks or send them to the front lines to defend our country or allies !

You can not vote when you are in Prison because you have lost all your rights when you were convicted of a CRIME. your basic human rights consist of the following Food, Water and Shelter from the elements...THAT is all ..GTF off your soapboxes!

oh and

Bite me!

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:49 am

BUBBALOU wrote:You can not vote when you are in Prison because you have lost all your rights when you were convicted of a CRIME. your basic human rights consist of the following Food, Water and Shelter from the elements...

You missed clothing.

Stryker · Post by **Stryker** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:52 am

That falls under shelter from the elements.

Viralphrame · Post by **Viralphrame** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:52 am

Darktalyn1 wrote:No, prisoners shouldn't have cable tv. Yes, prison should be a punishment. But stupid crap like issuing pink boxers is the idea of some jackass on a power trip.

What's wrong with pink? It's just a color. Explain yourself.

Darktalyn1 · Post by **Darktalyn1** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:21 pm

It's simply a ploy to try to humiliate prisoners by immasculating them. It's stupid and beyond the point.

I completely agree that they don't deserve television or coffee. But why do the boxers need to be pink? What's wrong with white? Why doesn't he explain HIMSELF?

What's next? How about all prisoners wear tutus in prison. I mean, what's the big deal right? It's just clothing. Punish them, yes. Stoop to a juvenile level of power abuse, no.

Battlebot · Post by **Battlebot** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:48 pm

hell if i had pink boxers, i wouldnt mind.

Viralphrame · Post by **Viralphrame** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:37 pm

Darktalyn1 wrote:It's simply a ploy to try to humiliate prisoners by immasculating them. It's stupid and beyond the point.

I completely agree that they don't deserve television or coffee. But why do the boxers need to be pink? What's wrong with white? Why doesn't he explain HIMSELF?

What's next? How about all prisoners wear tutus in prison. I mean, what's the big deal right? It's just clothing. Punish them, yes. Stoop to a juvenile level of power abuse, no.

It's all mental, Darky. Any humiliation the inmates derrive from wearing pink boxers is bourne of their own minds.

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:25 pm

Battlebot wrote:hell if i had pink boxers, i wouldnt mind.

If they were comfy, bring on the pink boxers!

Additionally I do think this is a step in the right direction, as our prision system has been getting very soft, but taken in the wrong place. Our maximum security prisions for the worst offenders should be like this in many ways, perhaps worse. However I do think there is something to be said for the severity of the crime dictating the severity of the punishment. If all these people are in for is possession then I think there are better ways to rehabilitate an offender. If theyre in for armed bank robbery, murder, rape, pedophilia, or multimillion fraud of a public company thus bankrupting many many thousands of people their pensions, let them eat their 40 cent meals.

SkyNet · Post by **SkyNet** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:46 pm

Mobius, Gooberman. Tell me something. If you perhaps have a daughter, and she was to be raped by someone. You would feel very nice knowning that the criminal now gets all the pleasures of life in jail?

How about this. Someone manages to get my credit card information. They end up buying tens of thousands of dollars worth of stuff. They are caught, and put in jail, but now I'm left with the bill. For the rest of my life I will probably be trying to pay back the credit card company. My life is now essentially ruined. Do you think they should be getting a free ride in jail?

To me Rapiest, Murderers, and Thiefs all fall into the same category for me. "Destroyer of Lives" They should all get capital punishment. Out of those 3 categories the only one that should be checked per case is Thiefs, because capital punishment is not for someone that stole a candy bar, but for a situation as described above.

Darktalyn1 · Post by **Darktalyn1** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:52 pm

It's all mental, Darky. Any humiliation the inmates derrive from wearing pink boxers is bourne of their own minds.

Actually the humiliation is born first and foremost of Sheriff Joe's mind. Obviously he feels that the pink boxers carry a certain social connation with them and is proud of that, otherwise it wouldn't be a part of his list of punishments. What a prat.

It's just stupid. You'd expect the people in charge to be a little bit more mature. That's all I'm saying. Whether or not it actually humiliates the inmate isn't the issue. The issue is that this guy is using his power for his own personal kicks as well.

kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:17 pm

Darktalyn1 wrote:The issue is that this guy is using his power for his own personal kicks as well.

thats why i like him!

Arol · Post by **Arol** » Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:42 am

Mobius wrote:And heaven forbid you should ever find yourself in one.

In most cases if you stay on the straight and narrow, you won't.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:50 am

You guys should quit whining and find out *why* he does some of these things instead of just ASSuming he's on a power trip.
The pink boxers was to stop them from stealing the *free* clothing, they were selling them to visitors or something because as soon as he made them all pink the theft of the boxers dropped to almost nothing....

If you want happy criminals then by all means get rid of punishment, discipline and authority

When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."
That pretty much sums it all up for me. I'll vote for cloning if we can start with Sherrif Joe.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Fri Aug 13, 2004 7:14 am

Mobius, Gooberman. Tell me something. If you perhaps have a daughter, and she was to be raped by someone. You would feel very nice knowning that the criminal now gets all the pleasures of life in jail?

If someone raped or murdered my daughter then they wouldn't be going to tent city. Did you guys even read my post?

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