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Transparent Aluminium baby!
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:35 am
by fliptw
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:39 am
by Top Wop
Thought that was introduced in the late 80's when Scotty gave out the formula when they traveled back in time to save the whales.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:48 am
by AceCombat
lol.....ive been waiting for the day someone would actually create that stuff.
Thanx for the link Flip
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:49 am
by STRESSTEST
This is really cool, thanks for the link
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:54 am
by Avder
I wonder how strong it is relative to common use glasses.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:00 pm
by AceCombat
think about CRT based TV's for instance. you hit the glass just right with a object....KABOOOM screen implodes with enough force to send glass and near-by objects flying.
use transparent aluminum, now you have the strength of metal, with the clarity of glass.
thats the kind of strength transparent aluminum will offer, and it will be come even stronger and clearer once the scientists refine and optimize the formula.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:10 pm
by Dedman
AceCombat wrote:...thats the kind of strength transparent aluminum will offer...
0_o
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:24 pm
by Wolf on Air
Ace, stop watching Star Trek.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:28 pm
by STRESSTEST
The question wasn't asked nor was it answered about the strength of this new material directly compaired to aluminum alloys we are used to using now. So, while I can appreciate your excitement, you are talking out of you’re a$$ again, Ace.
This is not even close to something you should base your oppinions on. This is a very rough idea, not a definitive answer
"They found that their samples were much harder than conventional silica-based glasses and were almost as hard as pure polycrystalline alumina."
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:47 pm
by Palzon
Top Wop wrote:Thought that was introduced in the late 80's when Scotty gave out the formula when they traveled back in time to save the whales.
dude, you so own this thread. beat me and everyone.
for the record, i was expecting this thread to be about transparent aluminum infants.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:36 pm
by Grendel
One point to Flip for getting "Aluminium" right
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:32 pm
by Krom
The question I have is: Does Transparent Aluminium still conduct electricity like normal aluminium? If so, then can we then assume it would be a bad idea to use it as the screen on a CRT monitor yes?
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:51 pm
by STRESSTEST
good if we send one to Ace
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:06 pm
by Sage
y
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:54 pm
by Krom
STRESSTEST wrote:good if we send one to Ace
Sage wrote:y
Take the cover off your CRT monitor, and touch the tube part of it... If you wanna die that is. ZAP FZZZZZT!
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:01 pm
by Duper
um.. i thought the whole "transparent aluminum" thing was a modified version of polymer, not glass. ?
This stuff sounds really cool, also really expensive.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:52 pm
by AceCombat
STRESSTEST wrote:This is not even close to something you should base your oppinions on. This is a very rough idea, not a definitive answer
"They found that their samples were much harder than conventional silica-based glasses and were almost as hard as pure polycrystalline alumina."
notice i said.......
AceCombat wrote:use transparent aluminum, now you have the strength of metal, with the clarity of glass.
thats the kind of strength transparent aluminum will offer, and it will be come even stronger and clearer once the scientists refine and optimize the formula.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:05 pm
by Pun
Ace, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:26 pm
by TheCops
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:45 pm
by BUBBALOU
feels like old times. fAce-rant Stress-stomp do wa didi dumb did do!
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:35 pm
by STRESSTEST
punisher wrote:Ace, you have no idea what you're talking about.
exactly, better watch out, he prolly has a degree in polymers like that f-14 pilot liscense
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:04 pm
by Sickone
for the record Ace, CRT's do not Explode, they implode.
CRT's have a very strong vacuum, so when the face is cracked, it SUCKS the fractured glass inward. The CRT is funnel shaped, and as the glass is sucked to the back, and bounces back out... it is a ricochets out.
For years the tube itselff has had a high impact glass lense over the actual face.
Also, a common practice when disposing of a dead CRT is to to crack the CRT gooseneck and release the vacuum so it is no longer anything but a bunch of glass
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:36 pm
by Duper
Sickone wrote:for the record Ace, CRT's do not Explode, they implode.
Dude, hate to break it to ya, he
did say implode. ... He just prefaced it with:
KA-BOOOM!
.. which could be interesting.. lol
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:41 pm
by Capm
Actually, I believe the point Ace was trying to make was that in the near future, we'll be able to see many applications for super-tough "glass" if you will, where this new method will have many benefits, especially after they improve the formula. CRT's being one of these applications, where instead of it shattering and imploding, you would just have a puncture hole and no mess.
Unfortunately, it was Ace talking, and it came out all screwed up.
Of course, knowing next to nothing about the technology or property of the material, it may shatter just like glass at a certain point. So the speculation was probably premature anyway.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:45 pm
by Mr. Perfect
Like CRTs will be around that long...
Still, that's a really fun find.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:52 pm
by AceCombat
thank you Capm.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:22 pm
by kurupt
if someone can get me the formula i can make this stuff at work and sell it for a hugely discounted price
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:32 pm
by DCrazy
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:53 pm
by kurupt
it basically says that we cant really do it yet, no? my head hurts and i stopped reading about 3/4 of the way through
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:11 pm
by []V[]essenjah
Duper wrote:Sickone wrote:for the record Ace, CRT's do not Explode, they implode.
Dude, hate to break it to ya, he
did say implode. ... He just prefaced it with:
KA-BOOOM!
.. which could be interesting.. lol
Duuude, it's
MOOOB-ACK!
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:18 am
by Mobius
Yep - thank heavens a few of you know how to spell the element Aluminium.
The best line in that movie had to be Scotty sitting in front of the keyboard saying "Computer? ..... Computer?" and then, "Oh, a keyboard, how quaint!"
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 7:37 am
by Richard Cranium
"They found that their samples were much harder than conventional silica-based glasses and were almost as hard as pure polycrystalline alumina."
The hardening process makes other metals brittle so maybe this will fracture easy. This is cool though.
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:23 am
by aldel
Just to clarify: this stuff is glass, not metal. I'm sure some of you understood this already, but it seemed like some people didn't.
"almost as hard as pure polycrystalline alumina" means it's almost as hard as the sand on conventional sandpaper. This is totally different from being almost as strong as solid metallic aluminum. Hardness != strength and alumina != aluminum.
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:37 pm
by Jagger
Palzon wrote:
for the record, i was expecting this thread to be about transparent aluminum infants.
Oh good, I wasn't the only one.
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:58 pm
by kurupt
seriously, when this stuff comes out i can make it. i make polymers in the lab all the time. mostly for ford, chrysler, gm, wilson (golf balls are from me!!!!) and many other things. i'm sure we'll be in on this sooner or later over at americhem.
so when we do, i'll start the bidding at $5.00
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:50 pm
by Avder
Dude, golf balls own.
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:59 pm
by kurupt
making the neon green ones are soooooo fvcking annoying. you get a drop of black or something in it and it comes out sh1t colored greenbrown.
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:03 pm
by Lobber
You do realize this is a glass, and not a thermosetting polymer, do you not? You can no more make a strong aluminum polymer glass (a contradiction in terms) from alumina oxide than you can make a strong steel girder from rust, iron oxide.
No, what's most remarkable about this material isn't its tensile strength, but its optical properties. Meaning that while it is probably extremely fragile, it would make very good lenses for optical applications.