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Psych: Invalidation

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:25 pm
by roid
http://www.eqi.org/invalid.htm
http://www.indianmother.com/art23.htm <- is also good (based on previous link).

i found this subject facinating, because i had never heard of it before. It seems that there is this psychological problem reoccuring throughout the generations, never being stopped. Parents who got it from their parents, inturn pass it onto their kids.

It's called Invalidation. And now that i know what it is, i realise that i see it everywhere around me, and i'm sure you do too. It's an emotionally UNHEALTHY part of our everyday lives and a part of a horrible caustic social culture that we for some reason just accept.
http://www.eqi.org/invalid.htm wrote:Invalidation is to reject, ignore, mock, tease, judge, or diminish someone's feelings. Constant invalidation may be one of the most significant reasons a person with high innate emotional intelligence suffers from unmet emotional needs later in life.(1) A sensitive child who is repeatedly invalidated becomes confused and begins to distrust his own emotions. He fails to develop confidence in and healthy use of his emotional brain-- one of nature's most basic survival tools. To adapt to this unhealthy and dysfunctional environment, the working relationship between his thoughts and feelings becomes twisted. His emotional responses, emotional management, and emotional development will likely be seriously, and perhaps permanently, impaired. The emotional processes which worked for him as a child may begin to work against him as an adult. In fact, one defintion of the so-called "borderline personality disorder" is "the normal response of a sensitive person to an invalidating environment" (2)

Psychiatrist R.D. Laing said that when we invalidate people or deny their perceptions and personal experiences, we make mental invalids of them. He found that when one's feelings are denied a person can be made to feel crazy even they are perfectly mentally healthy. (Reference)

Recent research by Thomas R. Lynch, Ph.D. of Duke University supports the idea that invalidation leads to mental health problems. He writes "...a history of emotion invalidation (i.e., a history of childhood psychological abuse and parental punishment, minimization, and distress in response to negative emotion) was significantly associated with emotion inhibition (i.e., ambivalence over emotional expression, thought suppression, and avoidant stress responses). Further, emotion inhibition significantly predicted psychological distress, including depression and anxiety symptoms.) (Reference)

Invalidation goes beyond mere rejection by implying not only that our feelings are disapproved of, but that we are fundamentally abnormal. This implies that there is something wrong with us because we aren't like everyone else; we are strange; we are different; we are weird.

None of this feels good, and all of it damages us. The more different from the mass norm a person is, for example, more intelligent or more sensitive, the more he is likely to be invalidated. When we are invalidated by having our feelings repudiated, we are attacked at the deepest level possible, since our feelings are the innermost expression of our individual identities.

Psychological invalidation is one of the most lethal forms of emotional abuse. It kills confidence, creativity and individuality.

Telling a person she shouldn't feel the way she does feel is akin to telling water it shouldn't be wet, grass it shouldn't be green, or rocks they shouldn't be hard. Each persons's feelings are real. Whether we like or understand someone's feelings, they are still real. Rejecting feelings is rejecting reality; it is to fight nature and may be called a crime against nature, "psychological murder", or "soul murder." Considering that trying to fight feelings, rather than accept them, is trying to fight all of nature, you can see why it is so frustrating, draining and futile. A good guideline is:

First accept the feelings, then address the behavior.

One the great leaders in education, Haim Ginott, said this:

Primum non nocere- First do no harm. Do not deny your teenager's perception. Do not argue with his experience. Do not disown his feelings.

We regularly invalidate others because we ourselves were, and are often invalidated, so it has become habitual. Below are a few of the many ways we are invalidated:

* We are told we shouldn't feel the way we feel
* We are dictated not to feel the way we feel
* We are told we are too sensitive, too "dramatic"
* We are ignored
* We are judged
* We are led to believe there is something wrong with us for feeling how we feel


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http://www.eqi.org/invalid.htm

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:42 pm
by Jeff250
Quit being a cry baby. :wink:

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:09 am
by Testiculese
It is a serious thing. It also depends on the strength of the individual. But no amount of fortitude can make you immune.

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:15 am
by roid
this is serious jeff250

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:18 am
by JMEaT
Very interesting article. I notice crap like this all the time going on. It's done to me on a regular basis. I always get that: "Don't Think So Much. Don't Look So Serious" bit. Sorry I can't turn off my thinking too much. Wish I could.

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:40 am
by Tyranny
This doesn't really surprise me much. Reads more like a road map of my life. I had a lot of those traits growing up, still do, I just buried some of them. Overly creative, overly sensetive, intelligent etc...

The intelligence is still there, I'm still emotionally sensetive but become distant to things that most people would be upset about. My creativity got buried by years of naysaying and by other people taking credit over hard work that I've done.

After that I just didn't care to create anything. The last few things I've done were my website and descent levels. I don't really take pride in a lot of things because half the time I think what I'm doing is utter crap anymore.

By the time I've built up enough self esteem to do anything it gets snatched away by failing to do something else.

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:16 pm
by Duper
I don't like where that article is heading. Some of it is valid. (pardon the pun),but the article in its entirey is a bit to the extreme.

In seriousness, I tend to agree with Jeff250. This occurs in every culture to every person that has ever lived. "Can't we all just get along" is a bit nieve to say the least. To cause the kind of damage that the author is implying on the scale sugested would pretty much make a vast majority of the populas catatonic.

While I'm all for treating eveyone with respect, I don't expect it in return nor initiated to me. Heck, this forum is a prime example of that.

And I have to dissagree that feelings are reality. Just because you feel a certain way does not make it accurate. Feelings and emotions are largely detirmined by preception. Now, to say that our preception is absolute so to dictate reality is absurd. Feelings are vapor, they change. Many times when I was a child, I became upset over various things... REALLY upset. Looking back on those circumstances, I see that I was wrong to feel and act the way I did. I could only reason and understand as a young child at that time and, of course, were bound to live in that situation. Did I feel that way? yes. were my feelings jsutified? no. My perception of reality was schewed by my age. Do we debais a child for throwing a fit because you can't afford the 3 million peice Lego set? no. Bring discipline if needed, but try to bring undertstanding and love.

It's an emotionally UNHEALTHY part of our everyday lives and a part of a horrible caustic social culture that we for some reason just accept.
There has never been anything other BUT this ...ever. But we are not all scared beyond repair are we? No.


This all being said, I guess it makes me a bad damaging person. :roll:

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 8:37 pm
by roid
Duper wrote:...To cause the kind of damage that the author is implying on the scale sugested would pretty much make a vast majority of the populas catatonic.
catatonic? no that's a little extreme.
you can't deny the huge amount of folks seeking mental health.
as things are i disagree with your statement. could you please point to the exact part/s in the article you are referring to when you say "that kind of damage"?
Duper wrote:And I have to dissagree that feelings are reality. Just because you feel a certain way does not make it accurate. Feelings and emotions are largely detirmined by preception. Now, to say that our preception is absolute so to dictate reality is absurd. Feelings are vapor, they change.
you may have misunderstood this. the article is saying that feelings are real to the person. it doesn't mean to say that they are a rational valid input into the desision making process. of course they are not accurate to the real world, but it's only by being allowed to come to grips with your own emotions that you will learn how they interact with reality. but just because they are feelings and not facts does not mean they should be invalidated.
the process of validation simply shows that you understand, it shows that you empathise. telling someone that their feelings are WRONG is like telling someone that they shouldn't be sneezing, you can't help sneezing. tell a kid that he is WRONG to sneeze and he will think he's some kindof freak, he may even attempt to suppress his sneezing & other such natural body functions.
Many times when I was a child, I became upset over various things... REALLY upset. Looking back on those circumstances, I see that I was wrong to feel and act the way I did. I could only reason and understand as a young child at that time and, of course, were bound to live in that situation. Did I feel that way? yes. were my feelings jsutified? no. My perception of reality was schewed by my age. Do we debais a child for throwing a fit because you can't afford the 3 million peice Lego set? no. Bring discipline if needed, but try to bring undertstanding and love.
your feelings were justified. your actions may not have been justified, but your feelings (internal emotions) always are.

it's odd you say "understanding and love" at the end, because if you were made to feel that your feelings were wrong and unjustified: then you wern't understood at all.
It's an emotionally UNHEALTHY part of our everyday lives and a part of a horrible caustic social culture that we for some reason just accept.
There has never been anything other BUT this ...ever. But we are not all scared beyond repair are we? No.

This all being said, I guess it makes me a bad damaging person. :roll
a lot of us aren't scarred beyond repair. but we're prettymuch all scarred by it.

the most important part is that those who have always been invalidated themselves (lacking the understanding of what they are doing) will eagerly invalidate others (including their own kids), because they feel this is normal and acceptable social behavior.

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:14 pm
by Duper
you're defending this guy? Don't make me drink more egg nog!

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:47 pm
by Skyalmian
I'm a victim of this, my mother is a victim of this, and so is my brother. It's affected us in different ways.

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:27 am
by sheepdog
I've been thinking about this topic since yesterday. When you look for wild creatures they are always on the margins of the trees in the eddys of the stream. They can come into the open to hunt or graze or feed. The live on the edges of things.

That's what I think intelligent people who keep kindness in their hearts can do to survive intact. Stay quiet and show yourself only when its absolutely necessary.

It helps me to remember that the inner-life of emotional predators isn't an easy one either. At least I still have the flame inside to warm myself over. All they have are their sad stories of petty power plays and manipulation of others.